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Aug 12, 2018
8:00:45pm

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Abe Froman

Previous username: Rise and Shout
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Why I left the scrimmage yesterday fairly giddy.

YbeatsU

8/12/18 10:24am

Wow... at LEAST be compared to Max Hall??

papencoug

8/12/18 10:26am

I didn’t think this was an unpopular opinion, maybe it is. But, I think Max Hall is one of the greats.

scootsy

8/12/18 10:27am

I consider Max one of the greats.

papencoug

8/12/18 10:35am

Most wins for a QB in School history. Upset #3 Oklahoma. He is a great. If

BYUtka

8/12/18 11:00am

I love Max too

JKLCoug

8/13/18 9:03am

But that's the whole point, isn't it?

Eddie

8/13/18 9:57am

yes, agree

JKLCoug

8/13/18 2:05pm

Um, he was fantastic against OU

Y05

8/13/18 7:42pm

Sounds like you remember better than I do

JKLCoug

8/14/18 9:44am

Could/should have been 24 points

Y05

8/14/18 6:28pm

He is obviously one of the greats

YIsForBrigham

8/12/18 11:01am

Only reason to disagree is nostalgia bias from the 80s

DanSmith

8/12/18 4:58pm

Not even debatable really

Triznaynay

8/12/18 7:42pm

So basically you thought the defense was terrible.

Cougarclaw

8/12/18 10:29am

That's what I read. Down with Tuiaki!

BYUALWAYSNUM1

8/12/18 3:33pm

Max Hall is a great.

TPcoug

8/12/18 10:29am

Absolutely, IMO

Dan

8/12/18 10:30am

I agree... I edited my post. My question mark was for the OP.

TPcoug

8/12/18 10:35am

Most wins by a BYU QB evah!!!

CougarCanuck76

8/12/18 10:31am

2-1 against Utah. 2-1 in bowl games. 1 conference championship. Winningest BYU QB ever.

Holy Driver

8/12/18 10:32am

Craptastic games every time against Utah. Defense won those two games. And he

SandYFan

8/12/18 10:34am

Don't ever change.

Left Shark Coug

8/12/18 10:36am

Come on. You got to give him a little credit.

Holy Driver

8/12/18 10:38am

4th and 18 was a horribly underthrown pass that was only completed

SandYFan

8/12/18 10:40am

He was on the run on 4th and 18. Didn’t plant his feet.

Holy Driver

8/12/18 10:45am

I don't care if he didn't plant his feet. The pass was underthrown 10 yards.

SandYFan

8/12/18 10:53am

Your poor wife

TPcoug

8/12/18 10:55am

I have. Less than 50% accuracy. TD/INT was way off. But you make it sound like they

Holy Driver

8/12/18 10:59am

Do you know how far ten yards is?

COACHdrn

8/12/18 8:12pm

He had a seperated shoulder.

byubyu

8/12/18 11:46am

But it was completed... right?

BYUtka

8/12/18 11:52am

You are an eternal pessimist aren't you

TPcoug

8/12/18 10:39am

Nah. Jamaal Williams was an all-time stud. Love Harvey. John Beck was

SandYFan

8/12/18 10:42am

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Abe Froman

8/13/18 9:57am

Not sure what Max Hall did to you....

bushy7

8/12/18 10:41am

And the defense allowed him to be in a spot where it even mattered.

SandYFan

8/12/18 10:44am

So... they did their job..

BYUtka

8/12/18 11:54am

A win is a win.

BYUtka

8/12/18 11:50am

RE: Craptastic games every time against Utah. Defense won those two games. And he

Slim

8/12/18 12:01pm

one of a kind right here

deliciousmocha

8/12/18 3:35pm

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Abe Froman

8/12/18 7:47pm

Fact: the defense gave up a fourth quarter lead in both of Max's wins

Y05

8/13/18 8:10pm

I don’t buy into team records as a good measure for individual player skill. IMO it’s the most overused and overrated

mvtoro

8/13/18 9:19pm

It's probably overrated, but I don't think it is meaningless

Y05

8/13/18 9:55pm

It can’t be meaningless. It’s team performance but he’s still the most important player on that team.

mvtoro

8/13/18 11:27pm

I misspoke. I know Max is a great which I think is ZW’s floor.

YbeatsU

8/12/18 10:35am

The winningest QB in BYU history is Zach’s floor? Wowzer.

Junior Deputy

8/12/18 10:55am

"Bold". That is one word for it... Considering the fact that we couldn't get past midfield, vs. LSU, and finished among

whitey1980

8/12/18 11:22pm

RE: I misspoke. I know Max is a great which I think is ZW’s floor.

mightybrick

8/12/18 11:38am

Geez, don’t do that to ZW...

ColumbusCoug

8/13/18 5:07am

I think Max is incredibly overrated; however...

dk4

8/12/18 12:42pm

Who the crap is in your top 15?

Left Shark Coug

8/12/18 1:29pm

15 dudes you’d take over Max Hall?!?!?!

climps

8/12/18 1:32pm

Now I am curious, who would you place in your top 15?

crazY

8/12/18 6:26pm

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Abe Froman

8/12/18 8:00pm

I'll take another crappy quarterback like max as long as...

baldcoug74

8/12/18 9:31pm

Man I thumbs-downed this like three hours ago but I still can’t get over how bad

Junior Deputy

8/12/18 9:40pm

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Jimmy Rocket

8/12/18 9:45pm

Who is the Top 15? My list of where I think BYU fandom ranks our QBs

Zoobieman

8/13/18 12:23pm

But which unit were they succeeding against?

Ash

8/12/18 10:41am

Both played multiple drives against the 1’s and 2’s on D.

YbeatsU

8/12/18 10:44am

Our 1s on D are basically 3s everywhere else

Y4LYFE

8/12/18 10:55am

Because the season hasn't started so reality hasn't sunk in yet?

Hypnotoad

8/12/18 10:46am

Hopefully this doesn’t mean the defense isn’t horrible

bald man

8/12/18 10:51am

The run game due to the backs or the Oline?

pegushin

8/12/18 10:57am

My pessimistic self would say it's becuz our DLine is terrible. It was last yr.

Jennerstein

8/12/18 11:11am

run defense was the one thing our defense was good at last year.

here's to hoping

8/13/18 10:12am

Due to the Oline and Scheme.

YbeatsU

8/12/18 12:12pm

So thus far Grimes scheme is looking good. Run to set up pass/SEC style?

pegushin

8/12/18 1:31pm

Without SEC talent.

whitey1980

8/12/18 11:45pm

That's some good Kool aid right there. Drink it up folks

swimbro

8/12/18 11:48am

#2 - lol. so at the very least will compare with the greatest winner

smokymountainrain

8/12/18 12:28pm

I left the scrimmage yesterday thinking... the Wilson hype is real.

TheLost

8/12/18 12:35pm

So at the least we have a QB who will win more games than any BYU QB ever?

AFcoug7

8/12/18 1:26pm

Haha... I'll believe it when I see it in a game

Byu_1988

8/12/18 1:40pm

Funny, I read almost the exact same post before 2017, 2016, 2015...

Backcountry

8/12/18 1:46pm

You’re back!? How’s Whitt?

Ocho Cuatro

8/12/18 8:29pm

How do you feel about the defense?

CarolinaCoug

8/12/18 2:20pm

So our defense stinks now? Great!

stonecougar

8/12/18 4:04pm

I appreciate the report but I donno how anyone can come away from

CougarsFanSince80s

8/12/18 4:20pm

Like optimism but”run on anybody”? Ask me after Wiscy and UW if u feel the same

Swishfromdeep3

8/12/18 4:33pm

“ I heart Grimes” seriously ..... that’s where you lost me...

Pretorian

8/12/18 4:49pm

Ahh right, I'm sure you stopped reading right after that.

Machiavelli

8/12/18 6:10pm

I like Grimes a lot, it just the 13 year old girl phrasing... "I heart anything"

Pretorian

8/12/18 6:54pm

Can one say that Grimes is turning things around before a single ball in a real game has been snapped? I like what I am

whitey1980

8/12/18 11:54pm

Culture has already changed dramatically

Machiavelli

8/13/18 7:55am

I agree. I'm just being very cautiously optimistic before I see them play in a real game. 90% cautious/10% optimistic.

whitey1980

8/13/18 7:48pm

Yeah - it's just a little premature to say that the team has been turned around.

Eddie

8/13/18 8:08pm

RE: Why I left the scrimmage yesterday fairly giddy.

Gerald-DeGroot

8/12/18 5:09pm

Lol at #1 and #2,...couldn’t keep reading past that.

Ocho Cuatro

8/12/18 8:27pm

Yeah reading is hard. Keep trying though Joe.

YbeatsU

8/12/18 8:57pm

RE: Yeah reading is hard. Keep trying though Joe.

Ocho Cuatro

8/12/18 9:35pm

RE: Yeah reading is hard. Keep trying though Joe.

YbeatsU

8/12/18 9:40pm

So I took that as

jkccoug

8/12/18 9:24pm

Made me laugh.

YbeatsU

8/12/18 9:27pm

That was the goal

jkccoug

8/13/18 9:11am

Glass half empty much?

Yunit

8/13/18 7:27am

Not buying into any preseason hype. Show me BYU

Borg

8/13/18 9:19am

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