Independence is making it hard for BYU to win games. For a lot of reasons.

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Jan 31, 2019
5:52:59pm

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Gerald-DeGroot

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I keep saying this. Independence is not hurting BYU.

chazen

1/31/19 12:03pm

We coincidentally started sucking with Independence, then? Just weird timing?

SandYFan

1/31/19 12:04pm

No we just went through a QB drought starting with the year Indy started

Cougz19

1/31/19 12:05pm

So yes, then. Entirely a coincidence we haven't had a great season since

SandYFan

1/31/19 12:06pm

5 star QB's not panning out and injuries prevented us from special seasons. we

Cougz19

1/31/19 12:10pm

So if we had the same players/coaches we would be better team in a conference?

jes2332

1/31/19 12:25pm

except when Bronco instead of winning 10-11 started winning 8 (3 years in a row)

franklyvulgar

1/31/19 7:42pm

Perception vs. Reality

PJMort

1/31/19 12:14pm

"We sucked" is an exagerration. But tell me, which season in Independence is

SandYFan

1/31/19 1:57pm

Which MWC season was special to you?

Dissenter

1/31/19 3:04pm

2006 was amazing. 🙂 Your turn! Which Independence season did you love?

SandYFan

1/31/19 3:28pm

2006? We started 1-2, and weren't ranked until 11 games in

Dissenter

1/31/19 8:18pm

2015 PLZ answer the question were we not 3 miracle pass play fromn 6-7?

CarolinaCoug

1/31/19 6:23pm

And in 2016 we were 4 plays, 8 total points, away from being undefeated.

PJMort

1/31/19 6:57pm

reality - number of years finished ranked in AP as Indy - 0

franklyvulgar

1/31/19 7:20pm

We had a successful offense in place and then changed just as we went Indy

CaliWG

1/31/19 12:15pm

Gary Crowton would like to have a word with you.

chilango

1/31/19 12:18pm

That might have something to do with a tougher schedule

jkccoug

1/31/19 1:51pm

If we were losing at this rate in the MWC it would be worser, badder, turrible.

PJMort

1/31/19 12:05pm

Thank you Chuck!

BYU Grounds

1/31/19 3:07pm

You need P5 players and P5 coaches to win regularly with our schedule. We have

jpal1397

1/31/19 12:15pm

We have a better chance to build that as Indy than in a G5 league

fulano

1/31/19 12:22pm

Minus being owned consistently by Boise and USU.

RockyTopCougar

1/31/19 3:59pm

yeah not finishing ranked and not even sniffing a NY6 is really helping matters

franklyvulgar

1/31/19 7:46pm

Yep. All we need to do is be better than we ever have been before.

Blue Cat

1/31/19 12:40pm

"Show me where independence touched you"

Kauai

1/31/19 12:59pm

If you want wins, you need to change the schedule.

argus

1/31/19 1:33pm

If you want a decent TV contract, you have to schedule good teams.

ManicBlue

1/31/19 1:52pm

exposure and $$$ are the most important things now for BYU, not wins

franklyvulgar

1/31/19 7:51pm

Bingo. This guy gets it.

Iki_Balam

1/31/19 10:29pm

We have the schedules we do because of independence. We are losing because of

TheLoneCougar

1/31/19 1:39pm

I don’t agree.

antiyewt

1/31/19 2:01pm

Solid take.

TheLoneCougar

1/31/19 2:06pm

I’d consider a New Year’s Day bowl to be an enormous accomplishment

antiyewt

1/31/19 2:26pm

Rumors have said that if they expand to 8 teams the the best G5 school will have

TheLoneCougar

1/31/19 2:32pm

We aren't losing to NIU, ECU, USU & UMass because of the schedule

CaliWG

1/31/19 4:28pm

unless the move to Independence is causing us to lose more games...

Hill4Heisman

1/31/19 1:47pm

which it is

franklyvulgar

1/31/19 7:56pm

RE: which it is

soupie

1/31/19 8:01pm

Generally agree. The goal should be to be ranked. A ranked Indy BYU competes

Jay Rick

1/31/19 2:16pm

We were ranked in the top-25 for 2 weeks about 4 months ago, with a loss to Cal

boscatar

1/31/19 2:54pm

Kids care about P5 conference affiliation. We would not get all the top recruits

D.T. Survivor

1/31/19 3:29pm

This true to some extent but if you are a winning program, ranked year in and

BYU Grounds

1/31/19 3:49pm

Yep. I’ve become a big believer in the “ranked” philosophy. I just can’t imagine

Jay Rick

1/31/19 4:35pm

good thing we're hardly ranked anymore

franklyvulgar

1/31/19 7:52pm

I agree but it's difficult to be ranked year in year out

D.T. Survivor

1/31/19 5:51pm

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

BringYourUltimate

1/31/19 3:33pm

And you keep being wrong.

lilpenny

1/31/19 3:44pm

True. Winning solves most problems.

Benfica1

1/31/19 4:01pm

Disagree, we need to be in a conference . . .

Sooner Cougar

1/31/19 4:06pm

You know, I actually agree with your point but still think independence is the better option right now

antiyewt

1/31/19 4:20pm

We HAVE rivalries with Utah, Utah St., and Boise St....we lost to all 3 in '18

boscatar

1/31/19 4:49pm

I dont enjoy playing schools like Wyoming. Or UNLV. And we cant beat Boise.

Iki_Balam

1/31/19 10:31pm

While I don't think it is hurting....I am not sure it is helping.....

Bonoman

1/31/19 4:13pm

Oh okay. Let's start doing that then.

Ham

1/31/19 4:30pm

Preach !!!

Pretorian

1/31/19 5:19pm

Amen!

Anti Nephi lehi

1/31/19 5:38pm

Independence is making it hard for BYU to win games. For a lot of reasons.

Gerald-DeGroot

1/31/19 5:52pm

Yep. Change coaches before changing Indy

Coogar2

1/31/19 6:53pm

Bronco went from a 11 win coach to an 8 win coach under Indy

franklyvulgar

1/31/19 7:53pm

Winning is the dependent variable

NAPAnick

1/31/19 9:38pm

Yes, like winning the lottery fixes financial problems. Just win.

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