Wouldn’t even include Mo in the conversation because his job was so much easier than a Starting Pitcher’s

Apr 20, 2019
1:38:19am

TCuz 4 Time AFC Champion

He’s obviously great. His numbers are just stupid. He played into his 40’s at an elite level. His playoff record is baffling. But it’s just not the same.

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POLL: Best pitcher since 1950?

scootsy First name: Tom; Last: Foolery

4/20/19 12:21am

By ERA- (min. 2000 innings pitched): 1. Kershaw 2. Pedro 3. Hoyt Wilhem 4. Clemens 5. Johan 6. Koufax

TCuz

4/20/19 12:32am

By FIP-: 1. Kershaw 2. Pedro 3. Clemens 4. Johnson 5. Koufax 6. Schilling

TCuz

4/20/19 12:34am

By fWAR: 1. Clemens 2. Maddux 3. Johnson 4. Ryan 5. Blyleven 6. Gaylord Perry

TCuz

4/20/19 12:35am

Greg Maddux.

Ashtrash

4/20/19 12:35am

Surgeon on the mound

Heinz57

4/20/19 1:12am

Amen

gurt

4/20/19 4:43am

Definitely the best in his prime. His prime was shorter than all of the others t

JamesWestfall

4/20/19 11:57am

Lol, not even close to the best in his prime. Pedro, Johnson, and Koufax all had 2 seasons better

TCuz

4/20/19 12:13pm

Oh. Cool.

JamesWestfall

4/22/19 2:47pm

I would put Nolan Ryan on your list before I put Dwight Gooden on there

RC Vikings

4/20/19 12:49am

Good call.

777

4/20/19 12:58am

He also had one of the worst walk rates of all time. Too wild to be considered the best. The 7 no-nos are incredible,

scootsy

4/20/19 1:03am

Yup. Great pitcher. Doesn't rank super well on the rate stats.

TCuz

4/20/19 1:06am

It’s hard to adjust properly for all the cocaine

Coop

4/20/19 7:13am

He played on a lot of real mediocre teams, the only time his team made the

RC Vikings

4/20/19 1:15am

You had to see him. Facing him was fearful.

Archaea

4/20/19 1:55am

That’s kind of like complaining Ty Detmer threw too many interceptions

StantonMac

4/20/19 7:44am

Not really. It’s one of the main reasons why he lost so many games.

scootsy

4/20/19 7:52am

Brett Saberhagen

jpal1397

4/20/19 1:09am

The only argument for Maddux over Pedro (or anyone else) is longevity.

TCuz

4/20/19 1:24am

I like Pedro, where would you put Mariano Rivera on the list.

RC Vikings

4/20/19 1:33am

Wouldn’t even include Mo in the conversation because his job was so much easier than a Starting Pitcher’s

TCuz

4/20/19 1:38am

Pedro dominated like no one else at the height of the steroid era

Josef K

4/20/19 2:24am

And was an utter failure in the playoffs

macaroni

4/20/19 7:27am

Yeah, I didn’t realize how much worse his PS numbers were

Josef K

4/20/19 10:00am

Pedro sucked in the clutch...which was good for the yankees

Garn

4/20/19 4:15am

He wasn’t as bad as people want to make out. Postseason ERA: Maddux- 3.27 Pedro- 3.46

TCuz

4/20/19 10:27am

Yeah, it's clearly Kershaw or Pedro

califcougar

4/20/19 7:01am

Jair Jurrjens

Conan

4/20/19 1:47am

Pedro at his best was the best I’ve ever seen

Josef K

4/20/19 2:22am

Except when it counted.

Garn

4/20/19 4:15am

This is where Koufax separated himself

donnerstag

4/20/19 6:09am

And Bumgarner.

messi

4/20/19 11:56am

How is this a debate between anyone but GIBSON and KOUFAX??? This is insane.

macaroni

4/20/19 7:27am

Clemens was incredible but he has the same taint to him that Bonds has for roids

Dynasty1

4/20/19 8:20am

Clemens was already incredible prior to steroids. Steroids just gave him a

macaroni

4/20/19 9:23am

This is a terrible take. Thanks for letting us know to ignore your baseball comments in the future

scootsy

4/20/19 11:56am

Greg Maddux is a baseball God but I don't think he makes my top 10.

shimmy

4/20/19 9:26am

Needs to be defined. Pedro was the most dominant at his best.

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