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Apr 20, 2019
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POLL: Best pitcher since 1950?

scootsy First name: Tom; Last: Foolery

4/20/19 12:21am

By ERA- (min. 2000 innings pitched): 1. Kershaw 2. Pedro 3. Hoyt Wilhem 4. Clemens 5. Johan 6. Koufax

TCuz

4/20/19 12:32am

By FIP-: 1. Kershaw 2. Pedro 3. Clemens 4. Johnson 5. Koufax 6. Schilling

TCuz

4/20/19 12:34am

By fWAR: 1. Clemens 2. Maddux 3. Johnson 4. Ryan 5. Blyleven 6. Gaylord Perry

TCuz

4/20/19 12:35am

Greg Maddux.

Ashtrash

4/20/19 12:35am

Surgeon on the mound

Heinz57

4/20/19 1:12am

Amen

gurt

4/20/19 4:43am

Definitely the best in his prime. His prime was shorter than all of the others t

4/20/19 11:57am

Lol, not even close to the best in his prime. Pedro, Johnson, and Koufax all had 2 seasons better

TCuz

4/20/19 12:13pm

Oh. Cool.

4/22/19 2:47pm

I would put Nolan Ryan on your list before I put Dwight Gooden on there

RC Vikings

4/20/19 12:49am

Good call.

777

4/20/19 12:58am

He also had one of the worst walk rates of all time. Too wild to be considered the best. The 7 no-nos are incredible,

scootsy

4/20/19 1:03am

Yup. Great pitcher. Doesn't rank super well on the rate stats.

TCuz

4/20/19 1:06am

It’s hard to adjust properly for all the cocaine

Coop

4/20/19 7:13am

He played on a lot of real mediocre teams, the only time his team made the

RC Vikings

4/20/19 1:15am

You had to see him. Facing him was fearful.

Archaea

4/20/19 1:55am

That’s kind of like complaining Ty Detmer threw too many interceptions

StantonMac

4/20/19 7:44am

Not really. It’s one of the main reasons why he lost so many games.

scootsy

4/20/19 7:52am

Brett Saberhagen

jpal1397

4/20/19 1:09am

The only argument for Maddux over Pedro (or anyone else) is longevity.

TCuz

4/20/19 1:24am

I like Pedro, where would you put Mariano Rivera on the list.

RC Vikings

4/20/19 1:33am

Wouldn’t even include Mo in the conversation because his job was so much easier than a Starting Pitcher’s

TCuz

4/20/19 1:38am

Pedro dominated like no one else at the height of the steroid era

Josef K

4/20/19 2:24am

And was an utter failure in the playoffs

macaroni

4/20/19 7:27am

Yeah, I didn’t realize how much worse his PS numbers were

Josef K

4/20/19 10:00am

Pedro sucked in the clutch...which was good for the yankees

Garn

4/20/19 4:15am

He wasn’t as bad as people want to make out. Postseason ERA: Maddux- 3.27 Pedro- 3.46

TCuz

4/20/19 10:27am

Yeah, it's clearly Kershaw or Pedro

califcougar

4/20/19 7:01am

Jair Jurrjens

Conan

4/20/19 1:47am

Pedro at his best was the best I’ve ever seen

Josef K

4/20/19 2:22am

Except when it counted.

Garn

4/20/19 4:15am

This is where Koufax separated himself

donnerstag

4/20/19 6:09am

And Bumgarner.

messi

4/20/19 11:56am

How is this a debate between anyone but GIBSON and KOUFAX??? This is insane.

macaroni

4/20/19 7:27am

Clemens was incredible but he has the same taint to him that Bonds has for roids

Dynasty1

4/20/19 8:20am

Clemens was already incredible prior to steroids. Steroids just gave him a

macaroni

4/20/19 9:23am

This is a terrible take. Thanks for letting us know to ignore your baseball comments in the future

scootsy

4/20/19 11:56am

Greg Maddux is a baseball God but I don't think he makes my top 10.

shimmy

4/20/19 9:26am

Needs to be defined. Pedro was the most dominant at his best.

messi

4/20/19 11:55am

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