So which is it then?

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May 14, 2019
2:41:45pm

DKN Lord of Light 2020

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DKN

Previous username: DrKennethNoisewater
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POLL: Football independence has been a

DKN Lord of Light 2020

5/14/19 2:39pm

Making the most of a no-win situation.

Indy Coug

5/14/19 2:40pm

board name checks out 🙂

franklyvulgar

5/14/19 2:41pm

So which is it then?

DKN

5/14/19 2:41pm

Although I think Independence has been good

2FarGone

5/14/19 2:43pm

What?

Pretorian

5/14/19 3:05pm

Far from perfect, but generally good. BYU does need to win more... esp at home.

Benfica1

5/14/19 2:47pm

While the program has declined in the period of independence, it is not because

NOCAL_YFAN

5/14/19 2:47pm

And Tom's decision to hire KS.

coolblue

5/14/19 3:36pm

I think the jury is still out on that

NOCAL_YFAN

5/14/19 3:37pm

Tom's decision to force KS to hire Detmer was a bigger problem.

displacedute

5/14/19 4:10pm

And at least be respectable

icecougar

5/14/19 6:57pm

And you KNOW he forced to hire him, how?

Count Cougar

5/14/19 9:22pm

KS went out of his way to throw TD under the bus. He's never done that to Grimes

Iki_Balam

5/14/19 9:59pm

Because Kalani wanted to win games, Tom wanted to win the press conference.

displacedute

5/14/19 10:07pm

Or KS was jealous that his OC was more popular with the fans.

Count Cougar

5/15/19 2:09pm

Bronco's inability to successfully navigate independence during BYU's first few

TrueBlue67

5/14/19 9:06pm

Spot on analysis. Maybe, if we were between 10 and 12 wins in Indy, we could say

Iki_Balam

5/14/19 10:02pm

I think the line between Indy lovers and haters is drawn based on

Pretorian

5/14/19 3:17pm

The goal should be P5 inclusion

puntersarepeople

5/14/19 3:28pm

100x this

COUGND

5/14/19 3:39pm

Exactly

Pretorian

5/14/19 6:07pm

TV has been great. Everything else... marginal.

IronPotato

5/14/19 4:51pm

Zero sum for football and a huge negative for b-ball.

idcougarfan

5/14/19 5:37pm

B-ball isn’t independent and the WCC is better than the MW

Pretorian

5/14/19 6:08pm

Other than Gonzaga, the WCC is not exciting.

idcougarfan

5/14/19 7:03pm

Is Nevada? UNLV was 30 years ago... New Mexico? Or are you still dreaming about

Pretorian

5/15/19 5:30am

Half of the WCC teams have BBall arenas with less then 5k attendance per game

MrCougarLover

5/15/19 9:54am

Yet we still can't win the conference and usually get 3rd.

BYUtka

5/15/19 10:13am

Meanwhile Gonzaga pumps out top 10 teams year in and year out, St. Mary's

fortysixn3

5/15/19 10:30am

We get 3rd because Gonzaga is a great team, no shame in losing to them and

MrCougarLover

5/15/19 10:32am

Because the MWC isn't as good? Why stop there? Why not Big Sky?

BYUtka

5/15/19 12:11pm

Not sure where you are going with this, but Big Sky is definitely not as good as

MrCougarLover

5/15/19 12:18pm

Right, if MWC is an improvement because they are not as good, Big Sky would be

BYUtka

5/15/19 3:53pm

The zags prove that arena size means nothing

Pretorian

5/15/19 1:25pm

+Villanova (6500)

Gentleman Stan

5/15/19 4:00pm

Huge negative in what way? Where would BYU b-ball be now had it stayed MWC?

fortysixn3

5/14/19 9:29pm

Probably a conference championship or two, and more meaningful conference games.

Demosthenes Red

5/14/19 9:31pm

That’s considered huge? So beating the mighty MWC champion (season and tourney)

fortysixn3

5/14/19 9:38pm

So the third place WCC team would win the MWC conference championship?

BYUtka

5/15/19 7:28am

More meaningful? The MWC is not very good.

Gentleman Stan

5/15/19 4:16pm

Meaningful in the sense of regional rivalries.

Demosthenes Red

5/15/19 10:18pm

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BYUtka

5/15/19 7:27am

A good mix between zero sum and positive. Mostly evened out tho.

bigbossbyu

5/15/19 1:42am

Agree with some of the comments above. “Best case scenario under current circumstances” is the missed option.

Refugee

5/15/19 7:24am

Bottom line is...

DaFreeCoug93

5/15/19 1:30pm

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