So you agree that this Astros stuff is on the same level, of worse, right?

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Jan 17, 2020
9:43:33am

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POLL: The ongoing Astros scandal is a bigger deal than Pete Rose betting on baseball games.

chago04 TNOIIECBAFTATPPAAFPDATW

1/17/20 8:09am

The Pete Rose thing is a bunch of crock. Dude needs to be in the Hall and lifetime ban removed.

TheLoneCougar

1/17/20 8:14am

A bunch of crock? Is that a thing?

CDV

1/17/20 8:24am

Yes, especially when there is a bunch of it

OGSuperfan

1/17/20 8:26am

RE: A bunch of crock? Is that a thing?

TheLoneCougar

1/17/20 8:36am

RE: A bunch of crock? Is that a thing?

Coug Eastwood

1/17/20 2:14pm

Please. He knew exactly what the rule was and what the consequence was for

Scratch

1/17/20 8:49am

Rose never bet on his own team, and while I understand he broke the rules it isn't like he was living in the modern

TheLoneCougar

1/17/20 8:57am

Wrong, he bet on the Reds. Rose even admitted to betting on the Reds in his book

Scratch

1/17/20 9:05am

So be never bet against his own team, but somehow that jeopardizes the performance?

TheLoneCougar

1/17/20 9:10am

Of course it impascts the game. The way you manage your bullpen, your rotation,

Scratch

1/17/20 9:22am

And you've just done the same. Not close to top 50? C'mon.

JJCoug

1/17/20 9:26am

I'd be shocked if he were top-50 in WAR, and that's even though he played a

Scratch

1/17/20 9:33am

How do you know what I'm arguing? You said not close to top 50. I laughed.

JJCoug

1/17/20 9:37am

Do you not play to win the game? Your goal as a manager is win every single game, no?

TheLoneCougar

1/17/20 9:31am

Yes, you manage to win every game. But you only have so many bullets. Can your

Scratch

1/17/20 9:38am

So WAR is the end all be all stat nowadays?

TheLoneCougar

1/17/20 10:03am

Nope, but it's a very good guidepost, especially for post-WWII players.

Scratch

1/17/20 10:40am

So you agree that this Astros stuff is on the same level, of worse, right?

macaroni

1/17/20 9:43am

It depends on what you mean by that. It's arguably worse. But you can't use

Scratch

1/17/20 9:52am

His situation really should be highlighted. How can he have a lifetime ban but the guys involved do not? Talk about

macaroni

1/17/20 8:15am

One that directly impacted the outcome of games versus one that didn't? Hmmmm

Indy Coug

1/17/20 8:16am

My reasons

OGSuperfan

1/17/20 8:17am

All the other team has to do is use some type tech for communication

SolidBlue

1/17/20 8:09pm

I just have trouble believing the cheating was highly effective

Heath Squashwell

1/17/20 8:18am

So why did they use it in the World Series?

macaroni

1/17/20 8:19am

Does that really matter in how you view this?

BoiseBlueCoug

1/17/20 8:20am

I stopped robbing banks because I just wasn't making much money. Not because I got caught.

chago04

1/17/20 8:20am

Regardless if you think the Astros are the only ones get your big boy pants on

Heath Squashwell

1/17/20 8:25am

That doesn't change anything... Just because others are cheating, that doesn't

Cougar TD

1/17/20 8:28am

Oh so if other people are doing it, it’s ok. Ha. Ok

macaroni

1/17/20 8:30am

The argument works for politics. Why not baseball?

unctoothman

1/17/20 8:37am

Rose is bigger IF there is proof that he bet against his own team.

JJCoug

1/17/20 8:28am

No, betting against is the same thing as betting on his own team. It changes

Scratch

1/17/20 8:55am

No it isn't.

kimdaddy35

1/17/20 9:14am

Having different incentives in different games absolutely impacts all of the

Scratch

1/17/20 9:27am

Reasonable minds can disagree and still know baseball. With you? No so much.

JJCoug

1/17/20 9:33am

There are things you can reasonably disagree on, for sure. However, there are

Scratch

1/17/20 9:41am

Can reasonable minds argue that he's top 50? Clearly not with you. I give.

JJCoug

1/17/20 9:48am

You're wrong. I will certainly concede that you can reasonably argue that he's

Scratch

1/17/20 9:55am

Lol, a lot of people don't understand baseball?

kimdaddy35

1/17/20 11:30am

Betting on his own team in some games is the same thing as betting against it

Scratch

1/17/20 11:42am

And by the way, he probably profited by his team losing for this very reason.

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