Can reasonable minds argue that he's top 50? Clearly not with you. I give.

Jan 17, 2020
9:48:20am

JJCoug Playmaker

Yeah, that means I don't know baseball. And I never claimed that he was the all time best. And we won't get into whether WAR is the end all, be all stat to figure this out. But trying to discuss this with you is pointless.

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POLL: The ongoing Astros scandal is a bigger deal than Pete Rose betting on baseball games.

chago04 TNOIIECBAFTATPPAAFPDATW

1/17/20 8:09am

The Pete Rose thing is a bunch of crock. Dude needs to be in the Hall and lifetime ban removed.

TheLoneCougar

1/17/20 8:14am

A bunch of crock? Is that a thing?

CDV

1/17/20 8:24am

Yes, especially when there is a bunch of it

OGSuperfan

1/17/20 8:26am

RE: A bunch of crock? Is that a thing?

TheLoneCougar

1/17/20 8:36am

RE: A bunch of crock? Is that a thing?

Coug Eastwood

1/17/20 2:14pm

Please. He knew exactly what the rule was and what the consequence was for

Scratch

1/17/20 8:49am

Rose never bet on his own team, and while I understand he broke the rules it isn't like he was living in the modern

TheLoneCougar

1/17/20 8:57am

Wrong, he bet on the Reds. Rose even admitted to betting on the Reds in his book

Scratch

1/17/20 9:05am

So be never bet against his own team, but somehow that jeopardizes the performance?

TheLoneCougar

1/17/20 9:10am

Of course it impascts the game. The way you manage your bullpen, your rotation,

Scratch

1/17/20 9:22am

And you've just done the same. Not close to top 50? C'mon.

JJCoug

1/17/20 9:26am

I'd be shocked if he were top-50 in WAR, and that's even though he played a

Scratch

1/17/20 9:33am

How do you know what I'm arguing? You said not close to top 50. I laughed.

JJCoug

1/17/20 9:37am

Do you not play to win the game? Your goal as a manager is win every single game, no?

TheLoneCougar

1/17/20 9:31am

Yes, you manage to win every game. But you only have so many bullets. Can your

Scratch

1/17/20 9:38am

So WAR is the end all be all stat nowadays?

TheLoneCougar

1/17/20 10:03am

Nope, but it's a very good guidepost, especially for post-WWII players.

Scratch

1/17/20 10:40am

So you agree that this Astros stuff is on the same level, of worse, right?

macaroni

1/17/20 9:43am

It depends on what you mean by that. It's arguably worse. But you can't use

Scratch

1/17/20 9:52am

His situation really should be highlighted. How can he have a lifetime ban but the guys involved do not? Talk about

macaroni

1/17/20 8:15am

One that directly impacted the outcome of games versus one that didn't? Hmmmm

Indy Coug

1/17/20 8:16am

My reasons

OGSuperfan

1/17/20 8:17am

All the other team has to do is use some type tech for communication

SolidBlue

1/17/20 8:09pm

I just have trouble believing the cheating was highly effective

Heath Squashwell

1/17/20 8:18am

So why did they use it in the World Series?

macaroni

1/17/20 8:19am

Does that really matter in how you view this?

BoiseBlueCoug

1/17/20 8:20am

I stopped robbing banks because I just wasn't making much money. Not because I got caught.

chago04

1/17/20 8:20am

Regardless if you think the Astros are the only ones get your big boy pants on

Heath Squashwell

1/17/20 8:25am

That doesn't change anything... Just because others are cheating, that doesn't

Cougar TD

1/17/20 8:28am

Oh so if other people are doing it, it’s ok. Ha. Ok

macaroni

1/17/20 8:30am

The argument works for politics. Why not baseball?

unctoothman

1/17/20 8:37am

Rose is bigger IF there is proof that he bet against his own team.

JJCoug

1/17/20 8:28am

No, betting against is the same thing as betting on his own team. It changes

Scratch

1/17/20 8:55am

No it isn't.

kimdaddy35

1/17/20 9:14am

Having different incentives in different games absolutely impacts all of the

Scratch

1/17/20 9:27am

Reasonable minds can disagree and still know baseball. With you? No so much.

JJCoug

1/17/20 9:33am

There are things you can reasonably disagree on, for sure. However, there are

Scratch

1/17/20 9:41am

Can reasonable minds argue that he's top 50? Clearly not with you. I give.

JJCoug

1/17/20 9:48am

You're wrong. I will certainly concede that you can reasonably argue that he's

Scratch

1/17/20 9:55am

Lol, a lot of people don't understand baseball?

kimdaddy35

1/17/20 11:30am

Betting on his own team in some games is the same thing as betting against it

Scratch

1/17/20 11:42am

And by the way, he probably profited by his team losing for this very reason.

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