The real shame with Bonds, ARod and Clemens is they didn't need it

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Mar 28, 2020
10:37:22am

RC Vikings All-American

The real shame with Bonds, ARod and Clemens is they didn't need it

Bonds was on pace to be included in that talk of putting him in the all time outfield with Mays and Ruth and ARod if he would have stayed at SS in Seattle or even Texas he's the greatest SS of all time. Clemans would be right there with Pedro Martinez and Greg Maddux has one of the greatest pitchers of this generation.

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RC Vikings

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Barry Bonds belongs in the HOF,

a priori

3/28/20 10:20am

He’s the scapegoat of the mlb. He was amazing.

3/28/20 10:21am

He didn't do roids? How is he the scapegoat? Are

Plato

3/28/20 10:22am

I think roids were widespread. Just like Lance Armstrong in cycling.

3/28/20 10:25am

We should still not reward those who cheated — regardless of who else did it.

3/28/20 10:36am

yet the MLB won’t take the trophy from the astros...

3/28/20 10:39am

Doesn't change this argument though. MLB probably should have come harder down

3/28/20 10:40am

He was the worst roider in history. It completely changed his body and ability

Zak

3/28/20 10:30am

It changed his ability to recover not play

ALC

3/28/20 11:31am

"Roids don't help you hit a baseball better." You sound like the Astros owner.

COACHdrn

3/28/20 11:55am

SMH apples and oranges

ALC

3/28/20 4:45pm

McGwire, Sosa, Canseco, Bagwell, and Caminiti would like a word 🙂

BYU1982

3/28/20 11:32am

Worst as in best? What do you mean?

Memmo

3/29/20 10:06am

So does Mark McGwire

cougarfann888

3/28/20 10:22am

Agreed

a priori

3/28/20 10:22am

Mark was nothing without roids. Bonds was amazing before roids.

shimmy

3/28/20 10:23am

Wrong, McGwire held the rookie record for home runs with 49

RC Vikings

3/28/20 10:27am

The 33 HR clip and .800ish OPS over the next 5 years say differently.

shimmy

3/28/20 10:32am

33 hr a year isn't nothing, that's Dale Murphy numbers and he had a nice

RC Vikings

3/28/20 10:40am

33/year and.800 ops doesn't get you close to the HOF unless you do it for 20 years.

shimmy

3/28/20 10:42am

Even if it doesn't get you in the HOF it's not nothing like you said

RC Vikings

3/28/20 10:47am

You're correct. He want nothing. Just a forgettable career. And obviously still a great accomplishment

shimmy

3/28/20 10:57am

Bonds hit 31.7 HR/year prior to age 35.

3/28/20 11:00am

Yeah, but Bonds was a 5 tool player. He had 3 mvps, 8 ggs, and was in the 400/400 club at the same time.

shimmy

3/28/20 11:04am

It's true, and this may be the only time I admit it on CB.

3/28/20 11:20am

Hank Aaron was a 33 hr a year guy, he just did it for 23 years.

RC Vikings

3/28/20 11:04am

True. And being the iron horse of career sluggers is quite the feat.

3/28/20 11:22am

Best player of my lifetime. He and Clemens must get in.

Revolution

3/28/20 10:22am

Not gonna happen on the traditional ballot. Some committee will do it eventually.

shimmy

3/28/20 10:24am

If Ortiz or ARod get in, and not one of those two, I’ll cancel my membership to

Revolution

3/28/20 10:28am

Ortiz will fly in first ballot.

TCuz

3/28/20 10:29am

Papi is a slam dunk. Which is the stupidest thing ever. How a voter could vote for papi and not bonds defies logic.

shimmy

3/28/20 10:33am

Best player of everybody’s lifetime.

TCuz

3/28/20 10:26am

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Memmo

3/29/20 10:10am

I’m not sure Clemens was a HOFer before roids.

Memmo

3/29/20 10:10am

I don’t believe pro sports should allow steroid use, however, Steroids didn’t make Bonds who he was. Lots of people

Zach Morris

3/28/20 10:24am

Roids definitely made Barry who he was post 35. There is before and after data. He was good enough pre 35 to get in the

shimmy

3/28/20 10:26am

I took that to mean that roids didn't make BB a HOFer.

a priori

3/28/20 10:27am

As a measuring stick, pre-steroids Bonds was much, much better than than Griffey’s entire career

TCuz

3/28/20 10:30am

Also, #Griffeyjuiced

shimmy

3/28/20 10:36am

How dare you Shimmy. How dare you.

3/28/20 11:01am

Roids didn’t hurt, that’s for sure. But lots of guys, even pro athletes use or used steroids and couldn’t sniff Barry’s

Zach Morris

3/28/20 10:30am

Why start going to the level he went to with roids if he was already a HOFer?

Zak

3/28/20 10:36am

Because he was the best and McGwire and Sosa got all the attention anyway

TCuz

3/28/20 10:39am

Because he was the best player in baseball and nobody cares because mcgwire and Sosa were hitting tanks non stop.

shimmy

3/28/20 10:40am

I get that, but to not think it would ever catch up with him? And it begs the

Zak

3/28/20 10:52am

Two words- Harold Baines.. to have baines and not bonds in is the biggest joke

cougfanz

3/28/20 10:25am

Greatest player ever

Triznaynay

3/28/20 10:28am

I don't like Barry, especially since guys like him are why Dale Murphy got the

wabluecoug

3/28/20 10:33am

Mussina?

TCuz

3/28/20 10:40am

I've never heard that. And pudge/piazza escaped any testing and implication so I can't hold it against them.

shimmy

3/28/20 10:43am

For head size

Bob Vance

3/28/20 10:36am

The real shame with Bonds, ARod and Clemens is they didn't need it

RC Vikings

3/28/20 10:37am

He cheated and lied about it. It doesn't matter how good he was, he should not

3/28/20 10:38am

The key is this: His career would probably have been much shorter and his

3/28/20 10:39am

I agree, he absolutely does.

CoachSpeak

3/28/20 10:41am

He deserves it for what he did on steroids

Josef K

3/28/20 10:45am

Everyone was using roids and he was the best. If everyone is cheating the same

cougarfann888

3/28/20 10:49am

Would you give Lance Armstrong back his TDF titles?

RC Vikings

3/28/20 10:53am

Cheaters are lame

acougfan

3/28/20 10:53am

You must not like the nfl then. Without steroids 60%+ of those guys wouldn’t be there.

Zach Morris

3/28/20 11:02am

Yep- cheaters are lame

acougfan

3/28/20 11:06am

What are you’d thoughts about or beloved cougs who end their football season in December or January

Zach Morris

3/28/20 11:11am

Are they cheating? If they cheat, then they are lame... cheaters are lame

acougfan

3/28/20 11:14am

Pete Rose goes in first

Lifi

3/28/20 10:55am

Not before Shoeless Joe.

3/28/20 10:56am

Concerned that HOF honor will descend to the level of the Nobel

gingi

3/28/20 11:24am

C-H-E-A-T-ER

BYU Grounds

3/28/20 11:49am

Sid Bream.

COACHdrn

3/28/20 11:53am

I think Judas should go to heaven too... For work done as an apostle before.

SafetyFirst

3/28/20 1:05pm

Disagree completely. Look at the size he was in 91 vs. the year he retired.

3/28/20 1:21pm

I don’t have a problem with him not making the HOF

D.T. Survivor

3/28/20 1:30pm

I would say Pete Rose too.

sah22

3/28/20 1:48pm

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