It's true, and this may be the only time I admit it on CB.

Mar 28, 2020
11:20:33am

Gentleman Stan All-American

My exception with Bonds: He was only a great home run hitter before steroids, but not an all time great.

And messing with all time records through cheating is a cardinal baseball sin for me.

I felt the same about Sosa and McGuire single season.

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Barry Bonds belongs in the HOF,

a priori

3/28/20 10:20am

He’s the scapegoat of the mlb. He was amazing.

blackandblue

3/28/20 10:21am

He didn't do roids? How is he the scapegoat? Are

Plato

3/28/20 10:22am

I think roids were widespread. Just like Lance Armstrong in cycling.

blackandblue

3/28/20 10:25am

We should still not reward those who cheated — regardless of who else did it.

NorCal Cougar

3/28/20 10:36am

yet the MLB won’t take the trophy from the astros...

blackandblue

3/28/20 10:39am

Doesn't change this argument though. MLB probably should have come harder down

NorCal Cougar

3/28/20 10:40am

He was the worst roider in history. It completely changed his body and ability

Zak

3/28/20 10:30am

It changed his ability to recover not play

ALC

3/28/20 11:31am

"Roids don't help you hit a baseball better." You sound like the Astros owner.

COACHdrn

3/28/20 11:55am

SMH apples and oranges

ALC

3/28/20 4:45pm

McGwire, Sosa, Canseco, Bagwell, and Caminiti would like a word 🙂

BYU1982

3/28/20 11:32am

Worst as in best? What do you mean?

Memmo

3/29/20 10:06am

So does Mark McGwire

cougarfann888

3/28/20 10:22am

Agreed

a priori

3/28/20 10:22am

Mark was nothing without roids. Bonds was amazing before roids.

shimmy

3/28/20 10:23am

Wrong, McGwire held the rookie record for home runs with 49

RC Vikings

3/28/20 10:27am

The 33 HR clip and .800ish OPS over the next 5 years say differently.

shimmy

3/28/20 10:32am

33 hr a year isn't nothing, that's Dale Murphy numbers and he had a nice

RC Vikings

3/28/20 10:40am

33/year and.800 ops doesn't get you close to the HOF unless you do it for 20 years.

shimmy

3/28/20 10:42am

Even if it doesn't get you in the HOF it's not nothing like you said

RC Vikings

3/28/20 10:47am

You're correct. He want nothing. Just a forgettable career. And obviously still a great accomplishment

shimmy

3/28/20 10:57am

Bonds hit 31.7 HR/year prior to age 35.

Gentleman Stan

3/28/20 11:00am

Yeah, but Bonds was a 5 tool player. He had 3 mvps, 8 ggs, and was in the 400/400 club at the same time.

shimmy

3/28/20 11:04am

It's true, and this may be the only time I admit it on CB.

Gentleman Stan

3/28/20 11:20am

Hank Aaron was a 33 hr a year guy, he just did it for 23 years.

RC Vikings

3/28/20 11:04am

True. And being the iron horse of career sluggers is quite the feat.

Gentleman Stan

3/28/20 11:22am

Best player of my lifetime. He and Clemens must get in.

Revolution

3/28/20 10:22am

Not gonna happen on the traditional ballot. Some committee will do it eventually.

shimmy

3/28/20 10:24am

If Ortiz or ARod get in, and not one of those two, I’ll cancel my membership to

Revolution

3/28/20 10:28am

Ortiz will fly in first ballot.

TCuz

3/28/20 10:29am

Papi is a slam dunk. Which is the stupidest thing ever. How a voter could vote for papi and not bonds defies logic.

shimmy

3/28/20 10:33am

Best player of everybody’s lifetime.

TCuz

3/28/20 10:26am

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Memmo

3/29/20 10:10am

I’m not sure Clemens was a HOFer before roids.

Memmo

3/29/20 10:10am

I don’t believe pro sports should allow steroid use, however, Steroids didn’t make Bonds who he was. Lots of people

Zach Morris

3/28/20 10:24am

Roids definitely made Barry who he was post 35. There is before and after data. He was good enough pre 35 to get in the

shimmy

3/28/20 10:26am

I took that to mean that roids didn't make BB a HOFer.

a priori

3/28/20 10:27am

As a measuring stick, pre-steroids Bonds was much, much better than than Griffey’s entire career

TCuz

3/28/20 10:30am

Also, #Griffeyjuiced

shimmy

3/28/20 10:36am

How dare you Shimmy. How dare you.

Gentleman Stan

3/28/20 11:01am

Roids didn’t hurt, that’s for sure. But lots of guys, even pro athletes use or used steroids and couldn’t sniff Barry’s

Zach Morris

3/28/20 10:30am

Why start going to the level he went to with roids if he was already a HOFer?

Zak

3/28/20 10:36am

Because he was the best and McGwire and Sosa got all the attention anyway

TCuz

3/28/20 10:39am

Because he was the best player in baseball and nobody cares because mcgwire and Sosa were hitting tanks non stop.

shimmy

3/28/20 10:40am

I get that, but to not think it would ever catch up with him? And it begs the

Zak

3/28/20 10:52am

Two words- Harold Baines.. to have baines and not bonds in is the biggest joke

cougfanz

3/28/20 10:25am

Greatest player ever

Triznaynay

3/28/20 10:28am

I don't like Barry, especially since guys like him are why Dale Murphy got the

wabluecoug

3/28/20 10:33am

Mussina?

TCuz

3/28/20 10:40am

I've never heard that. And pudge/piazza escaped any testing and implication so I can't hold it against them.

shimmy

3/28/20 10:43am

For head size

Bob Vance

3/28/20 10:36am

The real shame with Bonds, ARod and Clemens is they didn't need it

RC Vikings

3/28/20 10:37am

He cheated and lied about it. It doesn't matter how good he was, he should not

NorCal Cougar

3/28/20 10:38am

The key is this: His career would probably have been much shorter and his

mrphotogenic

3/28/20 10:39am

I agree, he absolutely does.

CoachSpeak

3/28/20 10:41am

He deserves it for what he did on steroids

Josef K

3/28/20 10:45am

Everyone was using roids and he was the best. If everyone is cheating the same

cougarfann888

3/28/20 10:49am

Would you give Lance Armstrong back his TDF titles?

RC Vikings

3/28/20 10:53am

Cheaters are lame

acougfan

3/28/20 10:53am

You must not like the nfl then. Without steroids 60%+ of those guys wouldn’t be there.

Zach Morris

3/28/20 11:02am

Yep- cheaters are lame

acougfan

3/28/20 11:06am

What are you’d thoughts about or beloved cougs who end their football season in December or January

Zach Morris

3/28/20 11:11am

Are they cheating? If they cheat, then they are lame... cheaters are lame

acougfan

3/28/20 11:14am

Pete Rose goes in first

Lifi

3/28/20 10:55am

Not before Shoeless Joe.

mrphotogenic

3/28/20 10:56am

Concerned that HOF honor will descend to the level of the Nobel

gingi

3/28/20 11:24am

C-H-E-A-T-ER

BYU Grounds

3/28/20 11:49am

Sid Bream.

COACHdrn

3/28/20 11:53am

I think Judas should go to heaven too... For work done as an apostle before.

SafetyFirst

3/28/20 1:05pm

Disagree completely. Look at the size he was in 91 vs. the year he retired.

RockyTopCougar

3/28/20 1:21pm

I don’t have a problem with him not making the HOF

D.T. Survivor

3/28/20 1:30pm

I would say Pete Rose too.

sah22

3/28/20 1:48pm

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