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Jul 19, 2021
8:52:26pm

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I taught a family in Albania involved in a blood feud (“Gjakmarrja/Hakmarrja”) The dad couldn’t leave the protection of

their home family compound and his son, who was going to church, had to stop as he was turning 18 and he would then be fair game for revenge killing.

Pretty crazy stuff, but very much a part of old Albanian mountain culture.

Gjakmarrja

Gjakmarrja (English: "blood-taking", i.e. "blood feud") or hakmarrja ("revenge") refers to the social obligation to commit murder in order to salvage honour questioned by an earlier violation of any of the many core morals of Albanian culture. This practice is generally seen as in line with the...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gjakmarrja[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gjakmarrja]

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Time

POLL: Do you personally know someone who has murdered someone else?

jvquarterback

7/19/21 7:01pm

Yea to manslaughter. Family friend hit and killed an old man due to morning sun

4thand19

7/19/21 7:06pm

That’s horrible, but I sure hope he doesn’t think of it as murder.

mvtoro

7/19/21 7:32pm

Yes - I served In Afghanistan for 2 years.

panacablue

7/19/21 7:08pm

Any baptisms?

Malathion

7/19/21 7:15pm

No, but we referred a lot to the spiritual missionaries.

panacablue

7/19/21 7:22pm

I know Chad Daybell. Does that count?

ReyOso

7/19/21 7:09pm

Yes it does!

7/19/21 7:13pm

*allegedly

mvtoro

7/19/21 7:34pm

Ann Perry was convicted. Joined the church later.

ReyOso

7/19/21 7:36pm

Why wouldn’t it?

Unibro

7/19/21 8:00pm

Hasn't been convicted yet. If that makes any difference.

Y-Zag

7/19/21 8:01pm

I’ve deposed a couple of murderers. I remember one was so personable until

Jay Rick

7/19/21 7:09pm

Sheesh. Just when you're trying to get to know him better. Some people, smh.

garyfan

7/19/21 7:12pm

Well I don’t blame him. Ann Landers says it’s horribly rude to ask a gentleman about his murders on first meeting.

mvtoro

7/19/21 7:35pm

Former home teachee, after they moved out of the ward

Indy Coug

7/19/21 7:11pm

Did you forget to teach him that murder was wrong?

7/19/21 7:14pm

Hey! Me too. Except he was still living in the ward when he killed someone and

gwalker

7/19/21 7:35pm

Domestic self-defense murder (she shot and killed husband)

cougfanz

7/19/21 7:12pm

A ward members son killed someone

BYU Fan

7/19/21 7:12pm

Didn't know him well, but there was a guy who hung out and played pool a lot in

cougaman

7/19/21 7:13pm

Had an impulsive 12 year old on the child psychiatric unit from an LDS family

OU Cougar

7/19/21 7:18pm

A man I ministered to and had in my home is now in prison for murder.

The Dark Knight

7/19/21 7:18pm

kid in my scout troop beat a guy to death with a tire iron a few years after we left scouts

byujag

7/19/21 7:20pm

Ron Lafferty.

7/19/21 7:20pm

His brother was in my ward in California. I think he want there to escape the name recognition.

DrBYU

7/19/21 7:27pm

He killed when I was on my mission. Police has reason to suspect my mother was on his hit list because she opposed him

7/19/21 7:43pm

I knew Allen and Brenda, not the brothers or anyone else in the family

AF Cougar

7/20/21 8:23am

I know one of his brothers (not sure if same brother). He lived in Oregon for a

cougaman

7/19/21 7:56pm

I think so

hpcougar

7/19/21 7:20pm

No, but I know 2 people who were murdered.

jdub

7/19/21 7:22pm

We baptized a guy convicted of murder in my mission.

jaromp

7/19/21 7:24pm

Same! It was about 30 years before we met him and he had paid his time

BigT801

7/19/21 7:26pm

This guy did too, he still had to follow all the rules and attend church for a year with his family though first

jaromp

7/19/21 7:38pm

Yeah, very similar situation!

BigT801

7/19/21 8:26pm

We did too but it required 1st Presidency approval

OU Cougar

7/19/21 7:35pm

Yeah, I think these situations always require approval from the 1st Presidency

jaromp

7/19/21 7:41pm

My cousin. Allegedly.

Homercles

7/19/21 7:24pm

I’ve done several psychiatric forensic cases.

valleus

7/19/21 7:25pm

I represented a number of people who have murdered other people.

Y-Zag

7/19/21 7:25pm

He shot the dad of one of my little brothers best friends. Super sad situation.

Adwight

7/19/21 7:31pm

In addition to Ron Lafferty above, this kid and his cohorts are responsible for roughly 90 deaths by drug overdose.

7/19/21 7:34pm

former youth sunday school teacher of mine- chopped up bodies

7/19/21 7:36pm

RE: former youth sunday school teacher of mine- chopped up bodies

Backcountry

7/19/21 7:50pm

13 year old kid in my deacon's quorum shot a girl in the face and killed her.

backprop

7/19/21 7:53pm

Taught a lady in Albania with 3 sons. 1 in Jail for drugs. 1 in Jail for murdering the third son with an AK-47 right

mvtoro

7/19/21 7:56pm

I think this one is the best story in the thread

bruincoug

7/19/21 8:01pm

I got to a new area in Brazil and we went to a family they had been teaching

A_blue_car

7/19/21 8:03pm

I taught a family in Albania involved in a blood feud (“Gjakmarrja/Hakmarrja”) The dad couldn’t leave the protection of

mvtoro

7/19/21 8:52pm

Ahh Eastern Europe missions. The best. I was in Bulgaria. Lots of similar stuff.

Adwight

7/19/21 11:06pm

Albanian mafia was pretty intense, but this was totally different than the mafia stuff. Ancient code of Albanians from

mvtoro

7/19/21 11:21pm

DUI Manslaughter

fan_byu

7/19/21 8:07pm

Yes. An ex home teacher. Weird guy. Came around a couple of times asking for money. He later killed a guy and posed as

Zenoch

7/19/21 8:08pm

My old computer lab partner in Middle school.

pegushin

7/19/21 8:14pm

Yes-my neighbor growing up killed his wife

Gunhog

7/19/21 8:54pm

One of my brother's teenage friends (and also in our ward at the time)

Pro Logic

7/19/21 9:02pm

Well, that wasn't very . . .

85fan

7/19/21 9:09pm

I think so.

85fan

7/19/21 9:08pm

I used to work out on East Center Street in Provo

cougarstrong

7/19/21 9:21pm

2 guys. One was brother's age and killed a lady not long after HS. My best friend's little sister witnessed it at about

Soupie

7/19/21 9:47pm

Son of co-worker killed his grandma's boyfriend then himself. Only met him once

timpjynx

7/19/21 10:14pm

Oh, and my step dad. Won't talk much about it (them) though. Rough life. Been

timpjynx

7/19/21 10:17pm

My Economics TA at BYU

Kid_A

7/19/21 10:16pm

This gets my vote for best poll ever and with very surprising results

DrBYU

7/19/21 11:03pm

Former elementary classmate joined a gang and killed someone in a drive-by.

thecthdox

7/19/21 11:44pm

Lifted weights all summer in high school with guy who is in life without parole for murdering his ex-girlfriend

Sandstone Cougar

7/20/21 12:08am

Beau Heaps. We grew up on the mean streets of Orem

CocaColaRecovery

7/20/21 9:11am

This was him. What a messed up family

OU Cougar

Mar 2, 4:19pm

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