I think people would be surprised how much of this out there

Oct 14, 2021
8:49:21am

kiyoshige All-American

No one is perfect and people are inherently biased. You might even say that successful people are where they are BECAUSE of some of their undesirable qualities, and not in spite of them.

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Cancel culture at it's best... Gruden gets fired, has coached athletes of color and who are gay, with no complaints for

ChinaFan Truly Addicted User

10/13/21 7:46pm

I guarantee it’s more of a bruce allen thing and if they released other emails

CougieMcCougFace

10/13/21 7:47pm

The only real crime I see is forcing those cheerleaders to pose topless.

CopperLix

10/13/21 7:48pm

Gee....and here I thought that even in their full costumes...NFL cheerleaders were already (mostly) topless

Michael McQuain

10/13/21 8:35pm

That’s just your imagination

Alpi Gusto

10/13/21 8:50pm

I heard Gru was going to identify as Hunter Biden so the media would ignore his

WorldWideLeader

10/14/21 12:41am

RE: I heard Gru was going to identify as Hunter Biden so the media would ignore

NVCougar

10/14/21 8:48am

You think being forced out over racist & homophobic work-related emails and not

vagabonder

10/13/21 7:50pm

Do you think policing peoples lives thru their email is the way to go? I guarantee that there are executives, even CEOs

ChinaFan

10/13/21 7:56pm

And you can bet that in just about any business, an executive would face severe

Kavorka

10/13/21 8:07pm

I'm not saying they wouldn't. I'm saying that no one is going to go to my old employer, request my emails, and then

ChinaFan

10/13/21 8:41pm

That’s not what happened though. They surfaced as part of an NFL investigation

Kavorka

10/13/21 9:10pm

and if not relevant to that investigation should have remained private conversation though the league might want to talk

ChinaFan

10/13/21 10:26pm

It's the hypocrisy of leftist looney cancel mobs that is the problem. They are

shammy

10/13/21 8:14pm

How about this? Condemn both?

SwampyCoug

10/13/21 9:21pm

It is sad that all you have to do us throw the term "cancel culture" around and

SwampyCoug

10/13/21 9:12pm

not defending his speech at all, and no one would have thought that it was just ONE email. People who use those words

ChinaFan

10/13/21 10:41pm

I’d be willing to bet a huge percentage of the players have said things just as

Coug-Ida

10/13/21 11:30pm

Was Gruden fired?

Charles Darwin

10/13/21 7:50pm

He resigned because he was going to be fired

Adrielle

10/13/21 7:52pm

Doesn’t sound like Mark Davis was going to fire him based on his “comment”

rivercitycoug

10/13/21 8:04pm

Lost 60 million so he could avoid being fired? Doubt it

Charles Darwin

10/13/21 8:20pm

Keyshawn Johnson was pretty vocal this week.

Triznaynay

10/13/21 7:53pm

but never before...that's what the op is getting at

palangi

10/13/21 11:27pm

He claims he was before but no one listened. Said “he’s a bad person” and was

Triznaynay

10/14/21 5:48am

and Keyshawn is the best of who could come forward? are they going to trot Antonio Brown out next?

ChinaFan

10/14/21 10:17am

You know they have emails, right? These aren’t just allegations

Alpi Gusto

10/14/21 10:23am

You seem really committed to Gruden's cause here. You said "not a single

Triznaynay

10/14/21 10:53am

okay, you can have KJ, and I'll use Carr to counter that for every KJ there are players that love working for Gruden. I

ChinaFan

10/14/21 11:27am

This is not cancel culture. I am conservative but I am tired of conservatives

SwampyCoug

10/14/21 11:53am

See this is what's wrong today, people think that if someone makes a mistake with their words, they need to be erased

ChinaFan

10/14/21 12:06pm

Triznaynay

10/14/21 12:17pm

Did cancel culture really get Gruden or did Gruden’s own stupidity to write

CrimsonCoug81

10/13/21 7:54pm

It was stupid, but they were private emails never intended for public consumption.

Adrielle

10/13/21 8:01pm

Work emails to people in power within the league aren’t the same as private

Kavorka

10/13/21 8:04pm

It was his private email

vegas guey

10/13/21 8:55pm

Even if that’s the case, was he sending emails to the official email accounts

Kavorka

10/13/21 9:12pm

This one isn’t an example of cancel culture. Sorry.

Kavorka

10/13/21 7:55pm

I'm amazed that so many of you are choosing to die on this hill. If in your job,

Alpi Gusto

10/13/21 7:57pm

But Gruden was not an employee of the NFL at that time.

BYU Grounds

10/13/21 8:03pm

No, but he was a former NFL head coach and covered the NFL for ESPN.

Kavorka

10/13/21 8:09pm

I agree with what Kavorka said below, but does it really matter if he was

Alpi Gusto

10/13/21 8:59pm

The reactionary defense of all manner of scumbaggery on CB by some is odd. I

CorndogStickshift

10/13/21 8:31pm

Exactly, an internal investigation found disgusting written evidence

NYC and Japan

10/13/21 10:20pm

Does anyone one here really believe he can coach a diverse team now?

SwampyCoug

10/13/21 10:24pm

agreed, but also it's not just that he circulated nude photos of women —

HeismanTy

10/13/21 10:55pm

For sure, I agree

Alpi Gusto

10/13/21 10:58pm

People can debate if he should be fired, but what he wrote was classless trash.

shoganai

10/13/21 8:04pm

I'd be more concerned about Gruden's actions than his emails. Did he discriminat

Forzaitalia

10/13/21 8:35pm

I listened to Chris Simms talk about this situation (Chris played for John for 6 years as a player) and he told a story

buhlcougar

10/13/21 8:36pm

Years and years, including fairly recent years of abominable written history

NYC and Japan

10/13/21 9:21pm

I would guess Grudens behavior is fairly common among men in power

kiyoshige

10/13/21 10:24pm

It doesn’t matter that he can hide it well

BYUAnime

10/13/21 10:44pm

He will coach again. Probably next season. And that team will succeed.

Heath Squashwell

10/13/21 10:59pm

What makes you think he’s a good coach? He hasn’t made the playoffs yet

Alpi Gusto

10/13/21 11:00pm

uh, yeah he has, 5 different seasons, 2 teams (Oakland & Tampa Bay)

ChinaFan

10/13/21 11:09pm

BTW, that's 1/3 of all his seasons coached, including this year when he quit.

ChinaFan

10/13/21 11:10pm

He hasn’t been to the playoffs since 2007 and hasn’t won a playoff game since 02

Alpi Gusto

10/13/21 11:25pm

yet that isn't what you said, you said he hasn't made the playoffs yet, which clearly he has done FIVE time with two org

ChinaFan

10/13/21 11:36pm

Ok, ill fix it. What makes you think he’s a good coach? He signed the largest

Alpi Gusto

10/14/21 9:03am

Defending Gruden from "cancellation" is not a hill I’d choose to die on…

The Chelsea Dagger

10/13/21 11:10pm

RE: Cancel culture at it's best... Gruden gets fired, has coached athletes of

akbarishiwatsu

10/13/21 11:27pm

People do not understand modern day bigotry in the workplace. They don't usually

SwampyCoug

10/14/21 8:25am

I think people would be surprised how much of this out there

kiyoshige

10/14/21 8:49am

that's nuts, Cuomo had women accusers,. not just dirty emails.

ChinaFan

10/14/21 12:07pm

And emails with pics of women being forced to pose topless is what????

SwampyCoug

10/14/21 12:35pm

what about it? what about the content makes it appropriate to use cancel culture to force him out? Does his possession

ChinaFan

10/14/21 6:43pm

Look, you can have people like Gruden work for you. Good luck with that!

SwampyCoug

10/14/21 7:53pm

Principles that are more important than firing Gruden:

canofpicante

10/14/21 9:03am

He wasn't fired. He quit. And the emails speak for themselves. Sheesh.

SwampyCoug

10/14/21 9:22am

I’m not saying he should or shouldn’t have quit or got fired. I’m saying

canofpicante

10/18/21 10:04am

You're defending his actions and job harder than he did. He saw it and resigned.

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