Same. I knew Arizona wasn’t going to be all that good, but I came out of that

Aug 13, 2022
5:15:29pm

bigbossbyu All-American

game not knowing how good or bad we were after a dominating 2020 season.

First game and all so it’s understandable, but it took the offense a while to do anything, and both the offense and defense seemed average at best. Didn’t think we’d beat Utah or have the season we did while driving home.

Thought Arizona would go on to win 5-6 games and fight for a bowl after that game, didn’t realize just how bad they were lol

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for those of you that keep saying that our d was good until the injuries

Kale

8/13/22 4:34pm

We clearly took our foot off the gas and kept things pretty vanilla so we could finally get the Ute monkey off our back.

mulletino

8/13/22 4:40pm

Psychological pressure isn’t being accounted for.

ColdFusion1989

8/13/22 4:40pm

Not defending the defensive performance here, but we were up by 2 scores by

NOCAL_YFAN

8/13/22 4:43pm

Your example makes it even worse

chazen

8/13/22 7:21pm

Cougarbib be like

Dark Forest Green

8/13/22 4:46pm

Howabout this?

Blueto

8/13/22 4:46pm

Or this?

Blueto

8/13/22 4:50pm

you guys are amazingly loyal to tuiaki. i don’t get it

Kale

8/13/22 4:55pm

Or we think it clowny that so many are so whiny about Tuiaki in the offseason.

Benfica1

8/13/22 5:14pm

4 out of 6 years he has been above average, one year slightly below and one bad.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 5:21pm

No one should be including 2020 in any offensive or defensive numbers. We played

kotacoug

8/13/22 6:16pm

Then no one should include 2021 because of injuries.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 6:20pm

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The_ATL

8/13/22 7:42pm

Yep. But don’t tell the excuse makers

kotacoug

8/13/22 7:52pm

Fair critique but now you are moving the goal posts.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 8:44pm

Injuries which have been wildly exaggerated

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:21am

I don’t know. If we lost our best player on O would our O have struggled?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:15am

Nope, where are you getting that from?

ManicBlue

8/13/22 6:53pm

Crickets ... waiting on those stats. Which years were above average?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:21am

Ever heard of google?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:29am

RE: Ever heard of google?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:41am

Lol. What is your point? We were a independent team with an Honor Code and your

Blueto

8/14/22 7:18am

RE: Lol. What is your point? We were a independent team with an Honor Code and your

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:01am

Honestly this just proves my point that he isn’t that bad.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 8:11am

Great standard going into playing in one of if not the top offensive league

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:23am

Never said we should settle. Just that he isn’t the worst.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 9:30am

Has ANYONE ever said he was the worst? The point being is that BYU can be better.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:00am

If you do a search on CB for “tuiaki” and “worst” it brings up 1000’s of posts.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:20am

Why did we get better OCs when we looked for one? We're about to be in a P5 conference so

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:36am

Ok so you can’t think of anyone either. Good to know.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:45am

Seriously lame argument. If you really want a list, I'm sure it wouldn't take much to

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:58am

Couple things. We have only been a future P5 member for 11 months.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:23pm

No guts, no glory. Your motto?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:29pm

Bronco is a top defensive mind. One of the best IMO. Can’t count that to be

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:53pm

Those 50 or 60 'worse' DCs just might be better with BYU's resources too instead of on a G5 Sun Belt team.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 3:53pm

So you want BYU to hire someone who is statically worse than tuiaki but might

Cougzilla

8/14/22 4:00pm

Have you ever hired anyone? Obviously you don't just look at previous statistics. smh

ManicBlue

8/14/22 4:39pm

Yes, previous statistics aren’t irrelevant. Agreed. Good luck.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 5:37pm

RE: Yes, previous statistics aren’t irrelevant. Agreed. Good luck.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 9:35pm

Haha it’s all about who you know. Who do you know that would be good for DC?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 10:43pm

Uh no. Not above average.

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:20am

Why is it a bad metric?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:47am

This. Too many whiners who whine too much

OldFogey

8/13/22 6:17pm

Why are you content with mediocre?

ManicBlue

8/13/22 10:27pm

You really want to know or just want to argue?

OldFogey

8/14/22 7:19am

Would I ask if I didn't really want to know? I don't understand it.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:02am

Here goes:

OldFogey

8/14/22 2:55pm

Great post.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 3:41pm

I finally found time to read your whole post and respond.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 10:36pm

Nice post, I agree.

The_Cuss

8/14/22 10:47pm

Bro, I love your passion. Don't agree with some of the takes, but not here to

OldFogey

8/15/22 10:02am

You keep taking about how good Bronco was and then saying Tuiaki is bad vs P5s

Blueto

8/15/22 2:20pm

Multiple 10w seasons in a row isn’t Mediocre

Pretorian

8/14/22 7:36am

Despite the d. Not because of it and one against a horrid schedule

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:24am

Exactly right.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:03am

This is a very biased take. The defense played well in plenty of games where the

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:42am

Even going by your very narrow metrics, you're still wrong.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:06pm

I Honestly don’t understand your point here.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:25pm

Just pointing out that by your metric set for the offense, our defense still wasn't good enough

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:33pm

How many of those games that we weren’t good enough to win did we win?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:43pm

Not the point. We shouldn't have to rely on our offense to always win games.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:57pm

Sure in a perfect world both sides of the ball would be elite.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 1:15pm

I'm not asking for elite ... above average would be a nice start.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 3:47pm

What counts as above average? 30-40 ranking? What stats are most important?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 3:52pm

I'd be thrilled with above 40.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 4:40pm

Ok. What stats are most important?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 5:38pm

I've posted plenty of stats. You ignore them every time.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 10:38pm

Well I’m dumb so tell me again please?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 10:45pm

RE: Well I’m dumb so tell me again please?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 10:49pm

Bcf is who I quoted and you said it was bad. What specific stats do you like?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:09pm

RE: Bcf is who I quoted and you said it was bad. What specific stats do you like?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:28pm

Ok I sincerely want to know what stats you like to look at. We may disagree on

Cougzilla

8/15/22 11:47am

Teams with garbage D cant win 10 games much less 10 games in back to back

Pretorian

8/14/22 5:16pm

Helps to have a top 15 offense in back to back yrs

ManicBlue

8/14/22 5:23pm

Nobody said the D did it without the O

Pretorian

8/14/22 6:11pm

Can't do it playing a full P5 schedule.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 9:49pm

Except they did

Pretorian

8/15/22 11:13am

There are about 4-5 posters that are completely blinded, maybe personal reasons

kotacoug

8/13/22 5:38pm

I agree 100%

Blueto

8/13/22 5:52pm

No one give a rip about him personally. If he was a good DC and developed a good

kotacoug

8/13/22 6:07pm

No those critical of him just look at numbers. Like 107th on third down d

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:24am

These types of posts aren't helpful and only make you sound like the flip side of the coin for the picture you falsely

mulletino

8/14/22 1:03pm

Fact…PPP allowed by Tuiaki’s D shows it was marginal at best throughout the

kotacoug

8/13/22 5:37pm

False. PPP shows he has been at least an average DC.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 5:56pm

Throw out 2020 for both offense and defense… that was not a quality

kotacoug

8/13/22 6:15pm

Is it fair to throw out his best year because of schedule and not his worst year

Cougzilla

8/13/22 6:20pm

The schedule was beyond pathetic. If it was even close to being a decent

kotacoug

8/13/22 6:33pm

This is a reasonable post. Is losing 8 starters to injuries normal?

Cougzilla

8/13/22 6:43pm

They lost eight starters the same game? Many of those eight were lost for one or

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:27am

Without looking it up how many players can you name that started against USC?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:21am

After lookin into it, the style of d shouldn’t be a factor for injuries.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 6:55pm

I’m not referencing plays per game. I’m talking plays per drive

kotacoug

8/13/22 7:52pm

Sure but players are regularly substituted on long drives.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 8:44pm

If players are regularly substituted then we're also not playing our best players

ManicBlue

8/13/22 10:26pm

Do you expect the best players to play every play of every game?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:20am

I expect them to play the majority of downs and to get off the field before double digit drives.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:46am

If you are talking about last year I am fully aware that we were bad.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 9:31am

We haven't been good on defense since Bronco. Mediocre at best. Why are you defending that?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:04am

I would argue above average. I am defending it because people on cb say

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:22am

Even prior to being invited to the B12, BYU would be an attractive job for most G5 DCs

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:36pm

What were our options when we fired detmer? I don’t remember an over abundance.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:45pm

Grimes was a pretty good option don't you think? In addition, we also had

ManicBlue

8/14/22 1:00pm

Yes, we had one good option that was a risk. He had never been an OC before.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 1:18pm

Roderick was a good replacement don't you think? Fesi might be one also who has OC experience.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 3:51pm

Great so throw out some defensive names on our staff or anywhere else that would

Cougzilla

8/14/22 3:58pm

Weird I didn't realize that I got the HC job.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 4:41pm

Do you have to be the head coach to have an idea on who you want for the DC?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 5:40pm

How about someone who has actually been a DC somewhere before? That's a good start I'd think.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 10:37pm

Any names you would care to share?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 10:46pm

Those who argue the injury excuse seem to make that argument

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:30am

I agree that Tuiaki has not had great defenses but isn't top 35 in anything

BYU313

8/13/22 9:57pm

Bronco had outstanding defenses so why are you content with mediocre from Tuiaki?

ManicBlue

8/13/22 10:24pm

Who recruits again? Can’t imagine why dl wouldn’t want to play

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:31am

2.3 yards per carry and opposing QBR of 55. It wasn't the best defensive performance ever but it got the job done.

Perseguir

8/13/22 4:49pm

55 QBR and 141 passer rating are career bests. It wasn't good. Also to include

kimdaddy35

8/14/22 2:01am

I was at the game and the defensive performance was frustrating

Beggar

8/13/22 4:53pm

Same. I knew Arizona wasn’t going to be all that good, but I came out of that

bigbossbyu

8/13/22 5:15pm

Arizona had 27 1st down that game. Topped that once all season at Oregon.

bigbossbyu

8/13/22 5:26pm

That was classic Tuiaki, but his fans seem fine with that performance

vegas guey

8/13/22 5:52pm

PPP was only 1.45. That average the whole year would have been top 10.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 6:18pm

I was at this game and the D didn't look good. That said – IT WAS LAST YEAR.

Benfica1

8/13/22 5:13pm

We’ve seen passive mediocrity for numerous years

vegas guey

8/13/22 5:54pm

Wasn’t this the Arizona coaching staffs first game?

Cougzilla

8/13/22 5:17pm

Definitely, but 1 game of film was enough for SDSU to hold Arizona to 200 less

bigbossbyu

8/13/22 6:45pm

That’s fair. I don’t want to give off the impression that tuiaki is all world.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 7:13pm

Can you just be happy with a 10 win season and show some optimism or must you

Pretorian

8/13/22 7:27pm

Don't confuse the CB zealots with facts.

Forzaitalia

8/13/22 7:37pm

The safety changed the game. We were crushing them on D until that point.

EternalOptimism

8/13/22 7:39pm

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The_ATL

8/13/22 7:45pm

And if tuiaki had Alabama level talent we would not be complaining about him.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 8:45pm

So how long do we give him to recruit better players? Offense is doing it…

The_Cuss

8/13/22 9:58pm

The offense has Alabama level talent? I will have some of what you are having.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:23am

I didnt say recruit Alabama level talent. Our O isn’t at Alabama level talent

The_Cuss

8/14/22 2:14pm

Valid question. Maybe they have but injuries have hindered overall performance.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 3:15pm

84% capacity in attendance was highest for the year. BYU fans are showing up

Bee Chunder

8/13/22 10:51pm

I will not entertain FB opinions from someone who named themselves after the

YOHONOMOTO

8/14/22 11:26am

Holding any team to 16 points is more than good enough...

canndyman

8/14/22 11:33am

No edge talent? Maybe the guy that's currently in his 8th recruiting cycle should address that?

mulletino

8/14/22 1:06pm

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canndyman

8/15/22 11:04am

Easier said than done, my guy!

canndyman

8/15/22 11:10am

So the offense can recruit non-LDS highly skilled and fast talent but the D cant

The_Cuss

8/15/22 11:42am

No, I think they can potentially, but I think the offense faces...

canndyman

8/15/22 2:13pm

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