Shaq had all three finals MVPs. I rest my case.

Mar 29, 2024
8:31:44am

pistol12 All-American

When you aren't the best player on your own team for the majority of your titles, you're not the best player ever or close to it.

Kobe is a top 10 player of all time. Probably 9 or 10.

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MJ. Kobe. End of list.

Division Bell Recovering

Mar 28, 5:10pm

Larry Bird

WJCougar

Mar 28, 5:10pm

You would take Larry Bird over LeBron? In a basketball game?

RealTaysomHill

Mar 28, 5:11pm

RE: You would take Larry Bird over LeBron? In a basketball game?

WJCougar

Mar 28, 5:12pm

I disagree

RealTaysomHill

Mar 28, 5:15pm

RE: I disagree

WJCougar

Mar 28, 5:18pm

What's funny is all the posters who were too young to appreciate the talent, spout off against guys who've seen both the

Division Bell

Mar 28, 5:29pm

You old guys are blinded by nostalgia. Athletes in every sport are better today than they were 30+ years ago

RealTaysomHill

Mar 28, 5:52pm

Everyone looks good when they don't have to follow the rules

Division Bell

Mar 28, 5:55pm

If your argument is that “refs missed calls against LeBron = Jordan is better,” that’s a really dumb argument

RealTaysomHill

Mar 28, 6:01pm

Do you really want to tally up and compare all the travels? LeBron would lose.

Division Bell

Mar 28, 6:04pm

No. Like I said, it’s a really dumb argument

RealTaysomHill

Mar 28, 7:00pm

Refs asked MJ for shoes/autographs at games but sure they gave him a bad whistle

climps

Mar 28, 10:11pm

You put Larry or Jordan from back then with today science and they improve too

cypresstx

Mar 28, 8:03pm

That’s a very convenient hypothetical. Not sure it’s true

RealTaysomHill

Mar 28, 8:12pm

Not as hypothetical as you think

sportsgeek82

Mar 28, 9:03pm

That was fascinating and eye-opening

CameronG

Mar 29, 12:34pm

Larry Bird is playing in the NBA today. And is dominating. His name is just Nikola Jokic.

Spiff

Mar 28, 9:12pm

Thats an excellent comparison.

Division Bell

Mar 28, 9:16pm

Maybe if you’ve never watched either play and only seen a picture of them.

RealTaysomHill

Mar 28, 9:40pm

If I could build a team with any player in their prime and healthy, I would

AlexKnight

Mar 28, 5:42pm

You’re wrong but that’s ok. Larry wasn’t better than Magic. LeBron is better

LakeshowCougs

Mar 28, 5:49pm

Well, I can't compete with that astute analysis. I guess I am wrong.

AlexKnight

Mar 28, 6:28pm

It’s alright. Too each their own

LakeshowCougs

Mar 28, 9:07pm

Kobe? Revisionist history mucho. Dude was amazing but he's lucky to make the top 10. Prob 8-12 range.

dryflyelk

Mar 28, 5:13pm

Yeah, he wasn't very efficient on offense. He shot a high volume.

runnincoug

Mar 28, 5:27pm

It's amazing how few people actually care about data. He's a great player but might be one of the most overrated.

BYUnerd

Mar 28, 5:35pm

It makes me wonder who really would be #2? Top 5? If we dug into the data?

runnincoug

Mar 28, 5:37pm

THE most overrated

AZ Coug

Mar 28, 5:49pm

It’s actually amazing how much people rely too heavily on certain data… the greatest player argument is not who filled

crm48

Mar 28, 8:56pm

As I've said before, Kobe isn't even a top 5 Laker

AZ Coug

Mar 28, 5:48pm

What?! Kobe still holds an NBA record...

Perseguir

Mar 28, 7:25pm

RE: MJ. Kobe. End of list.

RealTaysomHill

Mar 28, 5:14pm

I was a big Kobe hater as a jazz fan

DavisCoCoug

Mar 28, 5:19pm

RE: I was a big Kobe hater as a jazz fan

WJCougar

Mar 28, 5:20pm

Tim Duncan over Kobe, same era

Plato

Mar 28, 5:25pm

RE: Tim Duncan over Kobe, same era

WJCougar

Mar 28, 5:27pm

Kobe was the most like MJ, in terms of style. But there are other ways to

garyfan

Mar 28, 6:10pm

The list starts with Jokic. Everyone else after is irrelevant

machete

Mar 28, 5:21pm

Kobe is right up there with MJ for who I would want to have the ball at the end

homegrown

Mar 28, 5:21pm

He never made his teammates better

AZ Coug

Mar 28, 5:48pm

Kobe? Probably the silliest thing you’ve ever posted from your finsta feed. Kobe? Kobe Bryant? Lolol.

shimmy

Mar 28, 5:26pm

Kobe? Hahaha. He is barely top 10 and that is borderline.

Baron

Mar 28, 5:26pm

RE: Kobe? Hahaha. He is barely top 10 and that is borderline.

WJCougar

Mar 28, 5:30pm

RE: Kobe? Hahaha. He is barely top 10 and that is borderline.

Baron

Mar 28, 5:35pm

That list is pretty good. All of those guys are winners of multiple mvps. Kobe

LakeshowCougs

Mar 28, 6:14pm

Yes he was. I’ll take the opinions of guys who actually played/coached in the

Faceman

Mar 28, 6:38pm

That is laughable.

Baron

Mar 28, 6:45pm

Fringe top 10 is laughable.

Faceman

Mar 28, 6:49pm

People only say that because he died young imo

AZPTCOUG

Mar 28, 8:42pm

He wasn’t even the best player on his own team for the majority of his

pistol12

Mar 28, 10:18pm

I disagree. For the 2001 and 2002 titles, Kobe was right there with Shaq. Shaq

Faceman

Mar 29, 5:52am

Shaq had all three finals MVPs. I rest my case.

pistol12

Mar 29, 8:31am

Yep. People just automatically include him but when you look at it you see

Baron

Mar 28, 6:38pm

Comparing players from different eras is pointless.

CatamountFan

Mar 28, 5:34pm

The answer is chamberlain.

All-American

Mar 28, 7:15pm

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, MJ

ParentingNotForSissy

Mar 28, 7:50pm

You could make a solid argument for Kareem. He and MJ are top 2 for sure

zerome4sooners

Mar 28, 7:52pm

MJ, Kareem, and then it’s debatable after that

zerome4sooners

Mar 28, 7:51pm

These guys agree:

Faceman

Mar 28, 8:54pm

Who is saying Kobe and MJ couldn’t fill Lebrons shoes?

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