Yup, completely agree. Something doesn't add up. Snorkeling at the surface has absolutely no relationship to flying.

May 10, 2024
3:28:05pm

Virginia Ute All-American

Scuba with deep diving is a different story. If he died snorkeling, it was likely because he was fat and unhealthy and had an MI from all the exertion that his body wasn't used to. Failed the stress test, so to speak.

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Virginia Ute

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If you are planning to snorkel in Hawaii, you should wait 3 days after flying in

King of Y

May 10, 6:59am

Does a state have to warn every tourist about every danger?

idcougarfan

May 10, 7:06am

Agreed. It’s your responsibility to research your chosen activities.

Soupie

May 10, 7:08am

RE: Does a state have to warn every tourist about every danger?

Left Hook

May 10, 7:21am

So many great things are "illegal" because someone was an idiot on Hawaii

WorfoSAUR

May 10, 7:29am

I wonder how much they care about enforcement of some of these areas v. just making them officially illegal to access to

mvtoro

May 10, 10:16am

<< Deleted >>

Buffalo

May 10, 7:07am

I found it interesting that the state actually started to pass a law about it

King of Y

May 10, 7:12am

No. The proposed law was to record facts about rescues, not about snorkeling

insanobueno

May 10, 10:03am

You are correct. It’s a big enough issue that it’s making it to legislative issu

King of Y

May 10, 10:27am

Seems like common sense. Record the data about why/how someone drowned

insanobueno

May 10, 3:52pm

It beats paying those pesky life insurance premiums, though!

davevine

May 10, 7:57am

Just what we need, snorkeling to be regulated like scuba

Longseason

May 10, 7:07am

What's wrong with you? There is money to be had.

spoxjox

May 10, 7:09am

Not sure about it being regulated as much as just informing people of the risk.

King of Y

May 10, 7:15am

You can scuba without being certified. Dumb. But you can. But if you aren’t and

Fatalplacebo

May 10, 7:16am

RE: Just what we need, snorkeling to be regulated like scuba

Sacto Cougar

May 10, 8:54am

No way I’m waiting 3 days to snorkel. When we dove in Maui, we did it 2 days

blackandblue

May 10, 7:17am

You snorkeled down to 120 feet? Scuba, sure. But snorkel?

Greg Kite's 'stache

May 10, 7:30am

He did say "dove." And every certified diver knows that you have to wait 24hrs

sakar12

May 10, 8:21am

By what method are they to list every possible danger that could randomly happen

Yukon

May 10, 7:19am

…for every possible activity.

Soupie

May 10, 7:22am

Exactly!

AF_Puma

May 10, 8:24am

One of my favorite things about California

BYU Fan

May 10, 7:25am

It’s a know issue. They know the cause. Lining of lungs thins on long flight.

King of Y

May 10, 7:34am

Since the other post got deleted. Do you have a link to this fact?

Fatalplacebo

May 10, 9:04am

Or you can snorkel whenever you want

letthewookieewin

May 10, 7:27am

A lady in our ward died a couple years ago

Carnac

May 10, 7:28am

So active scuba diver here. The problem with scuba and air travel is

Fatalplacebo

May 10, 7:44am

I had no idea that was a thing.

Joe Banks

May 10, 7:45am

By snorkeling do we mean like just swimming on the surface with a life jacket or

BaseCoug

May 10, 8:24am

The former

Carnac

May 10, 8:25am

Wow, wild. I snorkeled today actually maybe my life was at risk…

BaseCoug

May 10, 8:33am

I have no idea

Carnac

May 10, 8:36am

This is not a thing. I would guess there are literally millions of snorkeling

kotacoug

May 10, 8:46am

Medical professionals in Hawaii are looking into it

Carnac

May 10, 8:50am

They are doing so because of legality issues. If you look at the commonality

kotacoug

May 10, 8:58am

I acknowledge it is a one-off, but the lady in my ward

Carnac

May 10, 9:05am

This snippet from the article hints at everything you need to know

Crazy Joe Davola

May 11, 5:44am

My guess is poor health was the bigger health concern then the flying. As a

wildlandfireguy

May 10, 8:35am

Unless the Agency is foolish enough to settle, this lady would be a moron to pursue this

Crazy Joe Davola

May 11, 5:47am

There's no case here. The state doesn't control snorkeling and has no duty to

Big McLargeHuge

May 10, 8:40am

No way am I going to wait 3 days after arriving in Hawaii to snorkel. I'd bet I'm more likely to die from a coconut

HarlemCoug

May 10, 8:40am

Every time we go to Hawaii I'm in the water snorkeling the moment we get to the condo

dryflyelk

May 10, 8:45am

In my field we call this negative pressure pulmonary edema, typically happens to

MrSandman

May 10, 9:04am

It's just too bad that in today's society we can no longer give sound medical

Rise Against

May 10, 9:07am

I think there is something to be said for larger people not being ashamed of how

SoBlueitHurts

May 10, 4:03pm

This isn’t negative pressure pulmonary edema.

IGlowInTheDark

May 10, 7:07pm

Pulling air hard through resistance of the snorkel can absolutely create

MrSandman

May 10, 8:03pm

Is there a lot of resistance in a snorkel? If someone can inhale comfortably out of a 6-0 ETT, why is a snorkel that is

Virginia Ute

May 10, 8:13pm

Not all snorkels are the same They are trying to figure out which ones cause

King of Y

May 10, 10:45pm

Are there any snorkels that are smaller than a 6-0 ETT?

Virginia Ute

May 10, 11:17pm

If you don’t believe you can have increased resistance while breathing through a

MrSandman

May 10, 11:37pm

I’m asking you to explain the physics of it.

Virginia Ute

May 11, 12:36am

Physics explained-

MrSandman

May 11, 7:09am

The normally operating cracking pressure of a scuba regulator is not causing…

IGlowInTheDark

May 11, 8:37am

That didn’t explain anything. You just said the same thing you been saying.

Virginia Ute

May 11, 2:18pm

The longer the tube, the greater the force required to equal the same flow. The

King of Y

May 11, 7:28am

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

IGlowInTheDark

May 11, 8:32am

pouiselle’s. but no.

Flyingdolphin

May 11, 8:49am

How many times does someone get off a plane, snorkel within your 3 day restriction period, and live.... vs... snorkel

HarlemCoug

May 11, 10:44am

Tube length is not a factor, not part of the equation.

Virginia Ute

May 11, 2:19pm

Maybe if it was kinked. This is SIPE.

IGlowInTheDark

May 10, 10:22pm

Agree to disagree but here are possible causes

MrSandman

May 10, 11:55pm

I’m a professional “make people breathe through tubes” as well.

IGlowInTheDark

May 11, 8:32am

I find it hard to believe it is that big a risk. I can see SCUBA but snorkeling

ImuaKahuku

May 10, 9:47am

“The number one fatality is drowning from snorkeling. It’s not from scuba diving

King of Y

May 10, 10:19am

How many people snorkel compared to scuba? How many obese people snorkel compared to scuba?

HarlemCoug

May 10, 10:22am

I highly doubt it’s from snorkeling, maybe while snorkeling. Age and ability are

ImuaKahuku

May 10, 3:09pm

Here is the report. You can doubt it. I just want to inform so people are aware

King of Y

May 10, 4:09pm

Sounds like they gassed then panicked which I am sure greatly effects the heart.

ImuaKahuku

May 10, 5:09pm

Thanks for posting.

eysikal

May 10, 5:12pm

Do you know where the actual full study is?

IGlowInTheDark

May 10, 7:22pm

First I'm not saying SCUBA, I mention it because I know from personal experience

ImuaKahuku

May 11, 12:42pm

Yup, completely agree. Something doesn't add up. Snorkeling at the surface has absolutely no relationship to flying.

Virginia Ute

May 10, 3:28pm

Flying for extended period to Hawaii, lung permeability changes, then snorkeling

King of Y

May 10, 4:11pm

That’s not likely the mechanism.

IGlowInTheDark

May 10, 7:20pm

Reality is this: if you can’t walk up 2 flights of stairs without being short of

MrSandman

May 10, 11:21am

Sad and tragic loss…. But this is a Money grab

Swishfromdeep3

May 10, 10:58pm

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