I'm sure there are ways to go about that process that are more productive than others.

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May 19, 2024
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Goals

crazY

May 19, 4:50pm

This is the new philosophy driven by younger Millenials and Gen-Z. It's the anti-work crowd. How about

CSoul

May 19, 4:53pm

Also, if you want to earn more money and get more free time, the best way is to set goals at work and

CSoul

May 19, 4:56pm

I am neither a Millennial nor anti-work. I still think setting formal goals at work is dumb. Just get out of my way and

dilbert

May 19, 5:08pm

Lots of reasons. But goals help manage bonus and make it easier to fire you.

Baron

May 19, 5:13pm

I'm very confused by your response. The "results you need" and "within budget" ARE the formal goals

CSoul

May 19, 5:17pm

What’s a word to say “achieve a specific result by a certain time”?

molodyets

May 19, 5:27pm

Well, sure. But what problem where they trying to solve when they started asking me to make formal goals 4 or 5 years

dilbert

May 19, 5:48pm

Yeh, most people I know think taking things like OKRs down to individual levels (for most roles) is stupid

CSoul

May 19, 5:56pm

I agree with you on that. Some orgs and roles goals are really difficult to set.

Baron

May 19, 6:01pm

When I was an engineer at Intel, our "goals" were determined by the finance guys

tony

May 20, 7:51am

I ask my employees to set goals so that I know what I can do to put them in a position to succeed at things they want

YIsForBrigham

May 19, 6:02pm

I tell my team, happy to help you with any goal, including advancing to another

NYC and Japan

May 19, 8:38pm

I wonder if some of the disconnect is that the onus is on the manager for goals

MarylandFan

May 19, 6:00pm

Boomer here.

Division Bell

May 19, 7:13pm

Except for one thing - organizational alignment. If the CEO has a vision

Joe

May 19, 7:58pm

Several good points.

Division Bell

May 19, 8:46pm

I think that’s true, the successful entrepreneurs I know are all self

Joe

May 19, 9:28pm

I’d say 95% of our goals set at work led to no follow up.

Lefty24

May 20, 10:05am

It’s not just the youngins

Odysseus

May 19, 5:00pm

True

CSoul

May 19, 5:02pm

The goals that HR makes me set every year do absolutely nothing. I’m not paid a

LeonMarek

May 19, 5:06pm

A good company doesn't have HR set goals with you. Your goals should be the results you need

CSoul

May 19, 5:14pm

Every company I have worked for has HR lead and submitted yearly goals that i

LeonMarek

May 19, 5:19pm

We set goals with direct managers and it's not put down, known, or tracked by HR.

CSoul

May 19, 5:21pm

HR leads the goal setting process but it set by team and decided by team but they are the org

Baron

May 19, 5:24pm

I think it's more typical of bigger and older companies for HR to do it. So I guess I agree with the people

CSoul

May 19, 5:28pm

Fair

LeonMarek

May 19, 5:32pm

I have found the opposite. And maybe we are talking past each other

Baron

May 19, 5:41pm

Ok, that's closer to what we do. Yes HR helps standardize. Yes they do training, yes they have access

CSoul

May 19, 5:47pm

Someone finally recognized that HR is overhead, huh?

Les IsMore

May 19, 6:28pm

I'm sure there are ways to go about that process that are more productive than others.

dilbert

May 19, 5:51pm

Same. HR set the timelines and provides a process, but goals are set with direct

NYC and Japan

May 19, 8:42pm

I think that's what the OP is about. Bad corporate culture.

MarylandFan

May 19, 6:04pm

HR sets DEI goals for me every year. I guess they figure no one would

Longseason

May 19, 5:52pm

I'd tell them that they can stick their dei goals where the sun don't shine.

Les IsMore

May 19, 5:57pm

I'm a burned out gen Xer who feels the same way

Belboz

May 19, 5:27pm

Read my reply to Baron above. Some of this I think has to do with your experience and company structure

CSoul

May 19, 5:29pm

My goal is to not be asked to do anything today that I didn't do yesterday

Belboz

May 19, 5:32pm

Housing and school prices are devastating now. Less focus on work isn’t why they

marinact

May 19, 5:39pm

I answered that question. I didn't say spend more time at work. And yes, not being satisfied at work is absolutely

CSoul

May 19, 5:49pm

I waste more time by a mile setting goals than reading CB

ochobeeguy

May 19, 5:43pm

That would suck

CSoul

May 19, 5:49pm

lol. This has always been the most common “goal” at work for hundreds of

valleus

May 19, 6:25pm

Much better to just show up and try to look busy. Yeah, that's how to maximize

Forzaitalia

May 19, 8:40pm

Imagine if sports teams didn't have goals, like make the NCAAs, become bowl eli-

Forzaitalia

May 20, 11:07am

You spend too much time and energy at work for that to be satisfying

NorthwestCoug

May 19, 5:10pm

That's not all wrong.

Plantagenet

May 19, 5:15pm

Yuck. I can't imagine working and not having goals to chase to keep it

BYUfan92

May 19, 5:20pm

I don't want work to be a challenge

Belboz

May 19, 5:31pm

As a retired computer scientist I long ago found that work goals are meaningless

Les IsMore

May 19, 6:23pm

I think you just wrote my story.

Belboz

May 19, 7:19pm

Depends on the job. In some roles, you don't have a lot of goals you can really chase.

Baron

May 19, 5:44pm

Agreed, and one of the reasons I like being self-employed

BYUfan92

May 19, 6:45pm

Surely there’s a middle ground. I think people who give their life to their

macdizzle

May 19, 5:30pm

Being self-employed, goals are essential. But there is also nothing fake about

Moto2001

May 19, 5:40pm

This is the same type of person

208to615Coug

May 19, 5:42pm

I’m this type of person, and I don’t do any of the things you say

LeonMarek

May 19, 5:50pm

My goal with HR goals is to spend as little time on them as possible.

OverratedHumor

May 19, 6:16pm

What's HR doing setting your goals? That's your boss' job.

Forzaitalia

May 19, 9:45pm

how awful that a business actually wants you to improve so they can survive,

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