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Oct 22, 2014
10:13:40am

Walter Bellhaven

But there is far less chance that that fails than a running QB

That is why your point isn't valid. Bball is built on stars. If you've got a horse that can play, you ride him. This isn't unique to BYU. This just happens in college and pro bball. With football, you need a team full of horses. You need Taysom. You also need much more than that. Hope this answers all your questions.

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Walter Bellhaven

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Why are fans giving Dave Rose a pass?

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:07am

because he is not Bronco. And very few fan bases can hate both FB & BB coaches.

BlueFrog

10/22/14 8:08am

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Acorn

10/22/14 8:24am

You're putting the cart before the horse, it's football season. Let's cross that

CougarBuckeye-BYUI

10/22/14 9:22am

You're not going to convince anyone of Bronco's greatness by bashing Rose

BlueK

10/22/14 8:09am

I'm not saying Bronco's great or Rose is lame. I'm saying they're the same

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:10am

Yes you are

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:14am

You missed "I'm actually strongly on the Dave Rose bandwagon...

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:25am

Saying that after running down his major accomplishments and exagerrating his

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:33am

welcome to Bronco's life on CB!

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:35am

I dont think those who have gone after Bronco have turned around and proclaimed

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:43am

the sports are not the same, so good comparisons are not really possible

BlueK

10/22/14 8:14am

Because basketball isn't football.

10/22/14 8:10am

Great logic … but how is it really that different? Is losing to Loyola

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:13am

In basketball you can lose to the worst team in the country...

10/22/14 8:14am

not only that, but the nature of the game is different and makes those kinds of

BlueK

10/22/14 8:18am

So the lack of a football inclusive playoff means Bronco is a worse coach?

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:20am

The best way I can sum up your comparison is like this:

10/22/14 8:21am

The Jimmer season bought Rose more time. Bronco hasn't had a season like that

Walter Bellhaven

10/22/14 8:11am

This would have been Bronco's Jimmer season if Taysom hadn't been injured

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:14am

That is what happens when you base your success on a running QB with

Walter Bellhaven

10/22/14 8:17am

Very true! I think we all knew it was only a matter of time he could potentially

10/22/14 8:25am

You're right. It was dumb of Rose to put all of his eggs and shot attempts in

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:27am

Is that an accurate comparison? Be honest.

Walter Bellhaven

10/22/14 8:29am

All that shooting may have worn out Jimmer's arm. Just as predictable as a

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:45am

My point is all of Rose's eggs were in that one basket, as evidenced by

runnincoug

10/22/14 9:51am

But there is far less chance that that fails than a running QB

Walter Bellhaven

10/22/14 10:13am

Sure, I agree with everything you said. My main point is that the Jimmer team

runnincoug

10/22/14 11:23am

Rose has plenty of critics on this board

concolor couguar

10/22/14 11:25am

Re: Rose doesn't have the benefit of a Lavell Edwards who came in, won a NC

Schultz is back

10/22/14 8:22am

To be honest, I think he has done a pretty poor job as of late.

thebruce

10/22/14 8:12am

also, even if we had Taysom, our team still wouldn't be a legit top 10 team.

thebruce

10/22/14 8:16am

Rose's defense was a train wreck too that year, and Bronco has beaten Texas

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:18am

his defense was solid that year. Jackson, KC, Abouo, Hartsock, and even Davies

thebruce

10/22/14 8:29am

Defense was top 3 in the conference if you consider pace

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:30am

Wait are you talking 2011? or last year?

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:31am

You're right, I got my years mixed up. It was after that year that D went down

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:36am

I was referring to the defense last year. It was average last year given pace

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:42am

Fire Dave Rose!

Blueto

10/22/14 8:12am

1. Rose is more personally like-able than Bronco.

shoganai

10/22/14 8:14am

I really think this is it…if we admit it, it's just because Rose is easier to

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:17am

If this was Bronco's first chance at a "Jimmer" season then you'd have a point.

shoganai

10/22/14 8:22am

It just seems petty to say, "Fire the coach because, er, he doesn't love me"

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:23am

That does seem petty. Who said that?

shoganai

10/22/14 8:24am

If you admit that we don't like Bronco because of his personality instead of

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:26am

Very few people on CB want to fire Bronco.

shoganai

10/22/14 8:30am

They did a poll on this. I actually think it's like 50/50, and the 50% wanting

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:31am

I don't think it's 50-50.

shoganai

10/22/14 8:33am

agreed. its performance. i don't care how many firesides he holds. and even

10/22/14 8:32am

RE: 1. Rose is more personally like-able than Bronco.

Twin Roots

10/22/14 8:17am

Wait, you mean missing personnel matters?

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:21am

RE: Wait, you mean missing personnel matters?

Twin Roots

10/22/14 8:31am

(rose won 2 tourney games without davies and was a hair from the final 4)

10/22/14 8:34am

BYU football isn't about the coaches and players, it's about the fans

OpusX

10/22/14 8:17am

I agree that I wish he was better about this, but do we want a coach or a PR guy

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:21am

Football>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bas ketball

byutx

10/22/14 8:19am

If you were at Duke, you wouldn't think that. Neither would I.

OpusX

10/22/14 8:21am

Look at the numbers, Duke Football still makes more than double what Duke

TheDeek

10/22/14 8:21am

Duke fans don't care more about Duke football. The money comes from P5

BlueK

10/22/14 8:27am

and yet, in the last few years, they've learned how to play the foosball

TheDeek

10/22/14 8:28am

And The Lego Movie made a bunch more money than 12 Years a Slave

OpusX

10/22/14 8:29am

I'd rather watch The Lego Movie than Duke Basketball... talk about a snooze fest

TheDeek

10/22/14 8:34am

Why do you think you get to decide how other people esteem various sports?

byutx

10/22/14 8:29am

This... when Basketball stinks, BYU loses maybe $1MM.... When Football stinks

TheDeek

10/22/14 8:21am

so it's just about money? In that case, let's let Holmoe decide if Bronco is ok

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:22am

It's always about Money... P5 vs G5 is all about money

TheDeek

10/22/14 8:22am

In that case, in looking for a new coach, let's make marketability the

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:29am

holy cow, seriously... re-read what you just posted. Edit it before I respond...

TheDeek

10/22/14 8:36am

There is not really much that separates Rose and Bronco at this point

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:21am

Every Rose has its thorn

braddahmike

10/22/14 8:27am

Because he had cancer.

John Doe

10/22/14 8:28am

there's something to be said for this. Rose won the media overcoming that

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:30am

But he's also the best basketball coach we've ever had

BlueK

10/22/14 8:38am

Dave Rose's coaching tree at least has a head coach in it.

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:34am

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roseyscenario

10/22/14 8:44am

Rose and Bronco are both fine coaches and both deserve more support

Coogar2

10/22/14 8:47am

He only has to be one of the 64 teams selected

BYU4eVeR

10/22/14 8:48am

64/340 = top 18% in D1. I guarantee Bronco would be very well liked if his teams

BlueK

10/22/14 8:50am

3 years since his last conference championship and he is actually really

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:53am

Has Dave Rose ever lost 8 straight games? That right there is the equivalent to

10/22/14 8:55am

Rose more effective for the greater mission?

roseyscenario

10/22/14 8:57am

Very different sports. Should be winning much more given the talent in

Jam Master J

10/22/14 8:59am

Fans can make lame excuses about PR skills and so forth

Indy Coug

10/22/14 9:00am

I would be thrilled with a top 25 finish. That is my measure for Bronco and it

concolor couguar

10/22/14 9:02am

Yes, exactly.

runnincoug

10/22/14 9:58am

Great write up. I'm 100% on board with your thoughts

nslscougar

10/22/14 9:20am

I like the way Rose substitutes for the most part. I hate the way bronco deals

budYu

10/22/14 9:31am

Yes, let's just criticize anyone and everyone whenever they lose...

cougarnerd

10/22/14 9:47am

It's fair. They are professionals, we can criticize them because we pay $$ to

thebruce

10/22/14 9:50am

On the player development issue it is much easier to make the NFL than NBA

Blue Cougar

10/22/14 10:55am

Still, Bronco has had stars in the NFL, legitimate stars. And yet we say he

runnincoug

10/22/14 11:24am

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