while I agree....

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Oct 23, 2014
3:19:41pm

thebruce

while I agree....

Its more about efficiency than it is points.

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Dave Rose's "junior college" offensive system

byujay13

10/23/14 11:29am

Jazz are going to run a similar offense this year too.

lawboy

10/23/14 11:32am

Yes, but are they going to win?

runningfoo

10/23/14 1:29pm

I love Rose, but he's beyond bad at getting his teams to be successful running

RichieRich

10/23/14 11:33am

Rose's half court O is as ugly as his fast-break O is a work of art.

Bert609

10/23/14 11:37am

+1. His teams are bad at the half court because that's not their game.

Gentleman Stan

10/23/14 11:42am

"Junior college" offense? Duke runs something similar, so does UNC, so does UK,

Jhayes

10/23/14 11:36am

baloney! Run and gun is not the offense of these top programs. laughable

claw

10/23/14 11:44am

Pretty close, very few teams set up, pound it into the post, and run time off

Jhayes

10/23/14 11:46am

are you a proponent of the Reid/Majerus style?

BlueK

10/23/14 11:52am

That's why they were called the Runnin' Utes!!!!!!!!!!

Hinta

10/23/14 11:56am

Majerus ran the most boring offense ever designed

BlueK

10/23/14 11:58am

Which my HS coach mimicked which ruined my HS basketball life

Jhayes

10/23/14 11:58am

If coach had just decided to take a shot in the second half we'd have won state

BlueK

10/23/14 12:13pm

No joke, we held the ball for the final few minutes (don't remember the exact

Jhayes

10/23/14 12:15pm

RE: Majerus ran the most boring offense ever designed

mjohns8700

10/23/14 4:05pm

they received the nickname running utes long before Majerus arrived

Cougarpride

10/23/14 12:14pm

Yes, but that's when the nickname became truly ironic

Hinta

10/23/14 12:18pm

I would say under Archibald is when the name became ironic - IMO

Cougarpride

10/23/14 12:20pm

even before that under Jerry Pimm

BlueK

10/23/14 12:26pm

You are right, I forgot about Pimm - thanks

Cougarpride

10/23/14 12:44pm

Disagree on Duke but it totally is at UNC

concolor couguar

10/23/14 7:26pm

Well, UNC DID run something similar. They might not be running much for years.

ByuMba90

10/23/14 11:47am

part of it is personell.

thebruce

10/23/14 11:37am

part of it is coaching

2FarGone

10/23/14 1:11pm

for sure.

thebruce

10/23/14 1:21pm

defense was our real problem last year

BlueK

10/23/14 11:38am

You need a post player to be effective in the half court.

Blueto

10/23/14 11:40am

Not sure that's true.. Air Force used to run a pretty effective

byu bcs buster

10/23/14 2:38pm

And nobody wants to watch that offense

Jhayes

10/23/14 2:39pm

it's called the 7 second offense. we jack it 7 secs into possession

meetvirginia

10/23/14 11:41am

No, you are thinking of 1990 LMU. And it was 9 seconds, not 7.

Gentleman Stan

10/23/14 11:46am

For 1990 LMU, it was 7.

Blue Cat

10/23/14 11:51am

So fast...

Gentleman Stan

10/23/14 8:10pm

Which is fine, if you have rebounding potential and the shot is open

byu bcs buster

10/23/14 2:39pm

IIRC, they were 3rd in the country in scoring offense last year

StantonMac

10/23/14 11:53am

Is that a result of good shooting or just fast pace?

mudpupper

10/23/14 11:55am

in light of the fact that without exception the team with the most points

BlueK

10/23/14 11:57am

BYU has consistently been amongst the leaders in offensive efficiency

Indy Coug

10/23/14 11:58am

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boyblue

10/23/14 4:17pm

Shhhhhh....

PolarisPrime

10/23/14 4:13pm

I'm not going to disagree. Rose's offense is not --

lightmann

10/23/14 11:56am

his fast breaks most definitely are however

BlueK

10/23/14 11:58am

Teams that do not have speed and personnel to penetrate into the key usually

BYUheaven

10/23/14 11:58am

One other thing

BYUheaven

10/23/14 12:01pm

I used to defend Carlino, but as time went on I came to realize you guys

BlueK

10/23/14 12:03pm

Can't get into the paint and don't have a post player that can score with their

Jhayes

10/23/14 12:03pm

This is part of the reason I was thrilled to have

PolarisPrime

10/23/14 4:27pm

Dave Roses' national offensive rankings since he's been here:

nephicoug

10/23/14 11:58am

Why were his offenses so bad in 2012 and 2008?

nephicoug

10/23/14 12:02pm

while I agree....

thebruce

10/23/14 3:19pm

Those are efficiency rankings, not total points

nephicoug

10/23/14 5:38pm

Even more impressive when you consider that there are

PolarisPrime

10/23/14 4:31pm

BYU is extremely good at executing on in bounds plays

Indy Coug

10/23/14 11:59am

YES! Amazingly good. I'll bet they hit over 80% of their shots...

icecougar

10/23/14 3:06pm

coworker just said his 3rd grade team has same. he who has ball shoots it

meetvirginia

10/23/14 12:02pm

If anyone thinks that is Dave Rose's offense simply isn't watching

Indy Coug

10/23/14 12:04pm

I think some of these folks are just looking for a distraction now that football

BlueK

10/23/14 12:05pm

There is one thing that bothered me last year with Rose's offense

BYUheaven

10/23/14 12:13pm

You know - you would think that would work

byu bcs buster

10/23/14 2:44pm

Isaac Nielson looks like a big who would be good on the pick and roll

icecougar

10/23/14 3:15pm

Or picked up 3 or 4 charges a game ...

Jhayes

10/23/14 2:46pm

It would work better with a big like Noah Hartsock...

icecougar

10/23/14 3:11pm

I don't disagree with your point about the pick

PolarisPrime

10/23/14 4:33pm

If only he took some notes from Air Force and their half court offense,

Broda

10/23/14 12:24pm

Dave Rose's JC team at Dixie College was really fun to watch. 10-20 dunks/game.

JAGA97

10/23/14 12:35pm

church team "more sophisticated"

vabeachcoug

10/23/14 1:16pm

IMO: BYU has been without a true center to run the half court offense

Cougarpride

10/23/14 1:28pm

church team "more sophisticated"

vabeachcoug

10/23/14 1:29pm

Well wasn't the offense top 5 in the country last year in points? Big time

ocmyhome

10/23/14 1:33pm

I read an interview mentioning the possibility of BYU using the Pick and Roll...

icecougar

10/23/14 3:05pm

Well, our half court offense is usually not great.

Real Men Wear Blue

10/23/14 3:24pm

Main issue has been lack of 3 point shooting. Rose has had very good offenses

CougarBreath

10/23/14 3:51pm

BYU was 39th in offensive efficiency last year, you know that, right?

boyblue

10/23/14 4:17pm

I think with slow point guards we'd struggle more in half court sets

BYUfan92

10/23/14 8:35pm

I've noticed we struggle in half court sets

Harrison0Yfan

10/23/14 9:02pm

truly said...

icecougar

10/23/14 10:34pm

His teams have always lacked talent...getting better.

ag4cougs

10/23/14 9:42pm

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