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Dec 1, 2015
3:06:37pm

mantis mutu All-American

I honestly think Travis's D was always a bit over-rated. I thought he used his

hands too much & struggled to stay in front of quick, small guards. He did improve a great deal from his Jr to his Sr year on D, though.

He & Abouo both got the "defensive stopper" title attached to them more than they deserved, IMO. I honestly think KC's a better overall defender than either of them. His stance & his hands are easily better than both.

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BYU all time starting 5. PG Jimmer SG Ainge SF KCollinsworth PF Cosic C Bradley

buckeyecougarguy

12/1/15 1:41pm

*Cosic

fredgarvin

12/1/15 1:44pm

thanks.

buckeyecougarguy

12/1/15 1:45pm

I'd go Smith over Bradley. Bradley only played 1 year.

fredgarvin

12/1/15 1:44pm

Certainly had the better overall career numbers, but did he go as deep in the

buckeyecougarguy

12/1/15 1:46pm

Neither got past the second round of the tournament.

fredgarvin

12/1/15 1:52pm

Bradley doesn't belong there IMO - only played 1 year

FiveTen-BuckEighty

12/1/15 1:45pm

May want to consider a 2nd all time team. I would include Toolson, Haws, Araujo

MajorZeus

12/1/15 1:45pm

Seems premature to put Toolson in that mix, although he played well last game

4mack

12/1/15 1:52pm

funny

fulano

12/1/15 1:56pm

Araujo? Really? I'd like to hear that argument

12/1/15 1:53pm

I'll go with same except put Travis Hansen at the 3.

thebruce

12/1/15 1:46pm

Over KC? I wouldn't. At the college level KC does everything better except shoot

mantis mutu

12/1/15 2:39pm

Travis was a much, much better defender IMO

thebruce

12/1/15 2:54pm

Calling KC the much better "shooter" was an obvious brain poop on my part

mantis mutu

12/1/15 2:57pm

In a lineup of jimmer and ainge do you want KC handling the ball?

thebruce

12/1/15 3:01pm

I honestly think Travis's D was always a bit over-rated. I thought he used his

mantis mutu

12/1/15 3:06pm

Good discussion. The thing that made Travis

thebruce

12/1/15 3:44pm

I'd go Smith over KC at SF. or put him at PF, moving Cosic to C

smokymountainrain

12/1/15 1:47pm

I thought about Cosic over Bradley at Center... But i like that rim protection.

buckeyecougarguy

12/1/15 1:49pm

Bradley averaged over 5 blocks per game. Next were Kite, Hartsock <1.86

buckeyecougarguy

12/1/15 1:57pm

Smith wasn't a SF. He was a PF/C.

fredgarvin

12/1/15 1:53pm

Smith could play all three positions and did play all three.

smokymountainrain

12/1/15 2:23pm

Agree, but still, calling him a small forward at BYU would be a stretch.

fredgarvin

12/1/15 2:35pm

And I agree with that. I just need him on the team - and if that means

smokymountainrain

12/1/15 2:39pm

Fair enough. He's first-team for sure.

fredgarvin

12/1/15 2:43pm

No Jimmy Balderson????

mobomanjoe

12/1/15 1:48pm

also tempted by James Anderson- the highest winning percentage of any byu player

buckeyecougarguy

12/1/15 1:49pm

Best all-time scrub?

mantis mutu

12/1/15 2:42pm

What about Araujo? I was on my mission when he played, but heard RAVE reviews

WhiteKnight

12/1/15 1:54pm

I was on my mission too. I think he makes the second team.

buckeyecougarguy

12/1/15 1:57pm

Devin Durrant should get a look on that list.

Iman23

12/1/15 1:58pm

I think Durrant and Haws are on my next man out. I think theres a difference in

buckeyecougarguy

12/1/15 2:12pm

Jimmer, Ainge, Durrant, Smith, Cosic

fredgarvin

12/1/15 2:00pm

Mostly agree. However, Haws should be there some place - probably 2nd team

Zenoch

12/1/15 2:05pm

Yeah, you're probably right. Should have put Haws over Chatman or Hansen.

fredgarvin

12/1/15 2:12pm

RE: BYU all time starting 5. PG Jimmer SG Ainge SF KCollinsworth PF Cosic C

manxcoug

12/1/15 2:02pm

what about Mel Hutchins?

JOPE

12/1/15 2:02pm

Coached by Coach Rose, but

buckeyecougarguy

12/1/15 2:03pm

Fred Roberts had a long career in the NBA and was a great BYU player

JohnHaddow

12/1/15 2:14pm

1. Cosic, 2. Ainge, 3. Bradley, 4. Hutchins, 5. Collinsworth.

roseyscenario

12/1/15 2:28pm

Mel Hutchins, nice. Back when they played with actual baskets instead of hoops;

thebruce

12/1/15 2:33pm

As Dr J says, all time greats are usually emotional picks. i like to judge by how they dominated their

roseyscenario

12/1/15 2:41pm

No Jimmer? Do you work for the Bulls, Spurs, Pelicans or Kings?

buckeyecougarguy

12/1/15 2:35pm

No kidding. Jimmer is to the bball program what Ty was to football.

UNLVcougar

12/1/15 2:42pm

Ty definitely wouldn't be my all time QB either, though. Not even backup.

mantis mutu

12/1/15 2:50pm

Love Ty and Jimmer. Young and McMahon at least come ahead of him. Possibly 2 to 5 others.

roseyscenario

12/1/15 4:17pm

You can't leave off the POY.

macaroni

12/1/15 4:00pm

For as one-way & blackhole of a player as Jimmer was--you can, I think.

mantis mutu

12/1/15 4:24pm

He did shoot poorly in the Sweet 16 game.

roseyscenario

12/1/15 4:35pm

That calf injury really effected the lift on his jumper, I think. It's too bad.

mantis mutu

12/1/15 4:52pm

Yeah because he was completely exhausted. And even then he was still scoring. I think that saying that KC kept them in

macaroni

12/1/15 5:06pm

I dont think the supporting cast was the reason for Jimmer. Jimmer was the

buckeyecougarguy

12/1/15 5:00pm

They definitely didn't make Jimmer--but they did all the dirty work VERY well.

mantis mutu

12/1/15 5:02pm

Good thought. I'd take Russell Larson over Bradley, though. So long as we

mantis mutu

12/1/15 2:45pm

Except that Larson was one of the biggest chokers in byu bball history. Guy couldn't be counted on when it mattered.

macaroni

12/1/15 4:00pm

It was a sad ending for him. Knew his lil bro. He didn't like playing for Reid.

mantis mutu

12/1/15 4:16pm

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