Are Noah Hartsock & Brandon Davies beyond recent memory already?

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Apr 29, 2016
7:16:34pm

mantis mutu All-American

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mantis mutu

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Time

Eric Mika

DappInc

4/29/16 10:32am

"undoubtedly push Davis to raise his overall game" Joke of the day!

WJCougar

4/29/16 10:35am

Hot Take: If Kyle Davis were black, we'd be drooling all over his potential.

mobomanjoe

4/29/16 10:37am

Why would you even post this? Nobody is drooling over Jamaal Aytes.

Epileptic Beagle

4/29/16 10:37am

Yeah, but Aytes can't crack the lineup let alone avg. 12 pts and 7.5 boards ppg.

YSMACK

4/29/16 10:46am

Sure, but that's not the argument. Davis' race has absolutely nothing to do with

Epileptic Beagle

4/29/16 10:49am

I am saying that your bringing up Aytes isn't responsive.

YSMACK

4/29/16 11:14am

People were when he first got here

Polecat

4/29/16 10:47am

So what? We've seen Davis for a year, as well as Aytes. If you're going to claim

Epileptic Beagle

4/29/16 10:50am

I get it

Polecat

4/29/16 10:32pm

I never understood the hype with him. A 6'6" post player? Meh

ldssdl

4/29/16 11:05am

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Cougazul

4/29/16 11:06am

I would argue that Keena Young is the exception, not the norm

ldssdl

4/29/16 11:09am

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Cougazul

4/29/16 11:13am

To be fair, Keena didn't become Keena till his Sr year. His So & Jr years were

mantis mutu

4/29/16 11:32am

RE: Signed, Keena Young

Bullrider

4/29/16 1:49pm

^THIS

ColonelMustard7

4/29/16 11:34am

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Cougazul

4/29/16 10:38am

He would still be the guy with the lowest Bball

Y'zFan

4/29/16 10:42am

There was plenty of drool over him last Nov...& it flowed right up to mid Dec.

mantis mutu

4/29/16 11:07am

*African American

ToasterChive

4/29/16 1:44pm

Yep. That's why were excited about Mika, right?

squidmark

4/29/16 4:40pm

2nd joke of the day: "similar skill sets". Hahaha

soupie

4/29/16 10:38am

So certain players are what they are and can't/wont improve? And how are you

basman

4/29/16 10:41am

Have you seen Kyle play? He had all year to improve. You think....

WJCougar

4/29/16 10:41am

Watched every game and a number of practices. Did you see early years of

basman

4/29/16 11:06am

Davis averaged almost 12 points and 8 boards a game. you act like he was

DappInc

4/29/16 10:41am

Layups.....they are called layups!

WJCougar

4/29/16 10:42am

And free throws and really bad passes.

Y'zFan

4/29/16 10:43am

Mika shot 1% better from the FT line

CSoul

4/29/16 10:47am

And he still shot better from the field than Mika did or most of our

CSoul

4/29/16 10:45am

Apparently not WJCougar, as he can see what other's can't or what can't be

basman

4/29/16 11:09am

Seriously, it's like you have never been on CB during a game.

WJCougar

4/29/16 11:17am

He's definitely no highlight reel like Mika, but I agree. One thing I wish he'd

mantis mutu

4/29/16 11:59am

I'm working on a project that breaks down the film pretty well Zach Lowe style

thebruce

4/29/16 12:42pm

He was 4th on the team in scoring, 2nd in rebounds, and 1st in blocked shots

DappInc

4/29/16 10:59am

He was WCC worthy. Nothing less...nothing more. Unfortunately

mantis mutu

4/29/16 11:11am

Davis had way too many turnovers and played poor position on ball defense.

BostonCougar

4/29/16 5:21pm

Actually, I'm leaning more towards doubtedly, and that more talented players

Epileptic Beagle

4/29/16 10:36am

That's my hope. Davis gave some good production, but he has most likely hit

benny1982

4/29/16 10:43am

you're probably right that the more talented players may pass him but

DappInc

4/29/16 10:49am

He's a good player, but he is a bit smaller and weaker, so he was awful in

benny1982

4/29/16 10:52am

Best thing is to say that Davis is serviceable. We should just move on and

CSoul

4/29/16 10:55am

I think too many people interpret the hope of younger players moving past

Epileptic Beagle

4/29/16 10:58am

I think it's the posts calling him awful and horrible during games

benny1982

4/29/16 11:00am

Those people are stupid. He does things that drive me crazy, but he is a solid

Epileptic Beagle

4/29/16 11:02am

I would say he is a good D-1 starter for an average team; then agree he's a solid #2 option on a top 20 team.

roseyscenario

4/29/16 11:06am

I agree with that.

benny1982

4/29/16 11:06am

He's not awful, but he misses some awfully easy lay ups

ldssdl

4/29/16 11:03am

I don't disagree at all. Davis is a fine player. My expectation of the other

Epileptic Beagle

4/29/16 10:57am

Kyle Davis is going to be the starter all year at the 4! Yes, we have players

Bensoncoug

4/29/16 1:51pm

I guess we'll see. Either way, if the younger guys start over him, that is only

Epileptic Beagle

4/29/16 1:59pm

He's definitely a good player and we're lucky to have him. I wouldn't be

palangi

4/29/16 1:59pm

KD really struggled against bigger players

Dr T-bone

4/29/16 2:45pm

I will hesitantly take that bet...

Ash

4/29/16 4:06pm

Quincy in the BYUSN interview just said that Mika is all of 6'10" now

ldssdl

4/29/16 10:39am

Quincy has gone out of his way on multiple occasions to remind that Dastrup is every bit the prospect as LP3.

roseyscenario

4/29/16 10:55am

Cool video, weird song for it...

Lalau

4/29/16 10:41am

This made me excited.

Geldir

4/29/16 10:42am

When did Q say Haws was the best?

thebruce

4/29/16 10:56am

When they were all in high school still.

Geldir

4/29/16 11:26am

I don't think he went any further than to project him early in his HS career

mantis mutu

4/29/16 2:10pm

He said if he could only have one he would take Haws without hesitating.

Geldir

4/29/16 6:46pm

Rather than create a competition about who among the LP3 is best, or whether Dastrup is a better prospect than Childs,

roseyscenario

4/29/16 8:00pm

Man. I forgot how good he was as a frosh. He is GOOD. No wonder yewtah has rumor

idacoug

4/29/16 10:44am

As Hilary would say..."Deal me in!".

Robert Baratheon

4/29/16 10:45am

Three things I noticed

Akilleez

4/29/16 10:48am

Yeah, very excited for Mika but you nailed it. Foul trouble. He needs to learn

Banjo Blues

4/29/16 11:53am

Love having a center with a Dunk First attitude...

(Private)

4/29/16 10:59am

Not to mention the athleticism & physique to actually make it happen.

mantis mutu

4/29/16 11:14am

What the yewt was that song doing on a highlight vid put out by BYU?

monkeycowboy

4/29/16 11:07am

I forgot how good he is with his left, very few bigs can use their lefts

palangi

4/29/16 11:23am

RE: Eric Mika

dafurball

4/29/16 11:24am

Not all of that was automatic from the beginning though. I remember he would also make the

soupie

4/29/16 11:30am

BYU Basketball vid song choice: "I feel like I got no panties on..."

PGVikingDad

4/29/16 11:46am

He had more dunks in 15 games than Austin did in 5 years, folks.

ag4cougs

4/29/16 11:51am

Watching this was a breath of fresh air. So nice having a big that can attack!

ColdFusion1989

4/29/16 3:17pm

Somehow this turned into a Davis thread

stoils

4/29/16 12:53pm

But Kaufusi won't be with the team in November, which may be why he is not discussed much here.

roseyscenario

4/29/16 1:07pm

His offensive touch around the rim is FAR better than anything we've had in

OGSuperfan

4/29/16 1:38pm

The best frontcourt I've seen. At BYU were Keena Young and Trent Plaisted.

ColdFusion1989

4/29/16 3:20pm

Are Noah Hartsock & Brandon Davies beyond recent memory already?

mantis mutu

4/29/16 7:16pm

Yep, they had way better touch and were much better players.

thebruce

4/29/16 7:34pm

Hartsock shot too many jumpers not a true big that you could depend on for

ColdFusion1989

4/29/16 8:51pm

Noah was always decent around the basket--but his Sr year he was very

mantis mutu

4/29/16 10:40pm

Hartsock loved the 3 too much. He was not a workhorse inside. Good player, but

ColdFusion1989

4/30/16 6:48am

I think you are dead wrong about Hartsock and davies

thebruce

4/30/16 8:19am

Exactly the opposite is true about Davies and Hartsock!

roseyscenario

4/30/16 9:05am

Plaisted was an elite athlete w not much upstairs. Kid's skill set was of an

mantis mutu

4/30/16 9:45am

True fact, Hartsock was never in the NBA or even in discussion for POY

ColdFusion1989

4/30/16 9:59am

Nba is irrelevant to the argument.

thebruce

4/30/16 10:11am

It's also ironic that in your post that starts with "true fact"

thebruce

4/30/16 10:14am

Unless we're exchangin w Trent--& he's "in fact" sharing a dream w us.

mantis mutu

4/30/16 11:48am

Didn't bring the inside presence? Hartsock was CLEARLY a better man defender in

mantis mutu

4/30/16 11:39am

Closer to fact: Hartsock may have been most underrated inside defender in BYU history, Davies also underrated defender.

roseyscenario

4/30/16 11:42am

Noah really was a tough dude. Which makes it difficult for me to watch his bro.

mantis mutu

4/30/16 11:45am

The brothers, and all others in the program are well aware of that difference in inclination and have spoken to it many

roseyscenario

4/30/16 12:39pm

He showed a GREAT stroke last season (despite the poor % overall). The hope with

mantis mutu

4/30/16 12:58pm

Ky & Tp > Nh & Bd

ColdFusion1989

4/30/16 12:46pm

"far superior" moves you from disagreement to doing it irrationally so.

mantis mutu

4/30/16 1:35pm

Come on man....you don't know what you are talking about.

thebruce

4/30/16 3:27pm

Well his board name does kinda say it all. No surprises.

mantis mutu

4/30/16 3:56pm

Did I mention their best years were in the MWC and not the WCC? Gotta love it!

ColdFusion1989

4/30/16 3:45pm

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mantis mutu

4/30/16 4:03pm

MWC was nothing to write home about 12-15 years ago. But go on thinkin otherwise

mantis mutu

4/30/16 4:03pm

Are you really TRYING to argue the WCC is tougher than the MWC was? Ha ha ha

ColdFusion1989

5/1/16 1:49pm

Everyone who looks at data knows WCC was much stronger in 2014, 2015, and very slightly weaker in 2016. Trend favors WCC

roseyscenario

5/1/16 3:04pm

Yep

AndyDwyer

5/7/16 10:08am

The #'s are skewed though because you are counting byu.

thebruce

5/7/16 10:36am

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