Does it fit the Bernard case? Is BYU withholding his transfer?

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Article: Patrick Kinahan: Rules should force BYU to let Bernard leave without restriction View

[KSL.com] Patrick Kinahan, KSL.com Contributor

8/23/17 10:27am

We have all agreed to let you leave without restriction PK

cougarmanguy

8/23/17 10:28am

Do we even know if FB has asked for a release? Isn't he still thinking it over-- despite what his bro says.

soupie

8/23/17 10:29am

no indication from any reliable source that it is true. Tuiaki withdrew his

cougarmanguy

8/23/17 10:30am

link?

Y4LYFE

8/23/17 11:07am

link to what? Tuiaki? It was discussed all day yesterda

cougarmanguy

8/23/17 11:15am

I get that PK is buddies with KW and all...

Eddie

8/23/17 10:32am

It's also pressing into ncaa ethically gray area

cougarmanguy

8/23/17 10:33am

Rules should force Patrick Kinahan to leave the state of Utah.

LiveY'r

8/23/17 10:33am

PK has the names wrong. The headline is more apt for the Tukuafua story.

84 Grad

8/23/17 10:35am

Definitely applies. It fits both situations.

BustinCoveys

8/23/17 10:58am

Does it fit the Bernard case? Is BYU withholding his transfer?

84 Grad

8/23/17 11:02am

Nobody knows.

BustinCoveys

8/23/17 11:07am

You should be able to restrict from teams on schedule over remaining eligiblity

Honor Code

8/23/17 10:40am

If you never attended the school or practice, you should be unrestricted (Joe T)

Honor Code

8/23/17 10:41am

There is even a Kyle Whittingham quote at the end that says just that

BrutustheBrash

8/23/17 10:50am

This headline is ridiculous. The article is just an argument that athletes

JustKeyrock

8/23/17 10:40am

PK writes an ethically bankrupt article. He is not forthcoming about the

darkcoug

8/23/17 10:42am

I agree with him. What's everyone's problem?

SoCalCoug

8/23/17 10:53am

I've learned that most don't care about individuals, only institutions.

thebruce

8/23/17 10:58am

Why can't both be protected?

cougfromcali

8/23/17 11:15am

Programs should have a right to kick someone out

thebruce

8/23/17 11:18am

Why should players have a right to transfer without penalty if it could...

cougfromcali

8/23/17 11:26am

Are you prohibited from receiving money from a 3rd party?

thebruce

8/23/17 11:44am

Hahaha, really? Only like every time. Non-competes and/or buyout penalties are

cougfromcali

8/23/17 11:52am

So wait, you can't take money if you sell some shoes or accept gifts?

thebruce

8/23/17 11:58am

I'm not talking about a competitor. I'm talking about a booster.

thebruce

8/23/17 11:59am

Sure, that's not all that uncommon either, but it depends on the job, of course.

cougfromcali

8/23/17 12:13pm

My point is you are acting like a student athlete is comparable to regular jobs

thebruce

8/23/17 12:24pm

Nobody forces them to sign their contracts. In fact, most students would give...

cougfromcali

8/23/17 1:40pm

Again, you are proving you care about institutions more than individuals.

thebruce

8/23/17 1:43pm

No, I really don't, I just care that contracts which benefit BOTH are honored.

cougfromcali

8/23/17 1:47pm

Yes, and I'm saying the contracts aren't fair to both.

thebruce

8/23/17 1:51pm

So, let me get this straight -- you're proposing that rival school boosters...

cougfromcali

8/23/17 1:59pm

RE: So, let me get this straight -- you're proposing that rival school

lstarr

8/23/17 2:06pm

Whoa ... where did you come from in this discussion?

ManicBlue

8/23/17 2:11pm

No I'm not talking about rivals at all.

thebruce

8/23/17 2:09pm

So you're not talking about FB at all then? Just trying to get your argument

ManicBlue

8/23/17 2:13pm

Is this a serious question?

cougfromcali

8/23/17 11:16am

Two big problems I see:

LiveY'r

8/23/17 11:44am

Based on all the KW quotes, there's nothing justifying the headline's assertion.

Accipiter

8/23/17 10:56am

Headlines are written by the copy desk, not the writer of the article. Seems they have

soupie

8/23/17 10:58am

Got it. PK basically wrote the headline in the first paragraph though, so in

Accipiter

8/23/17 11:59am

Yep, that's basically what they go off. Read the lead (1st paragraph or so) and write the headline.

soupie

8/23/17 12:06pm

He said the same exact thing many on here have said for days.

BustinCoveys

8/23/17 10:57am

KSL, you shouldnt bother coming here. I never click on a PK garbarticle

Y4LYFE

8/23/17 11:07am

Love how the BYU player who hasn't announced anything is chosen for this article

zerome4sooners

8/23/17 11:34am

PK is a HACK!

DirkSpiderS

8/23/17 11:42am

If coaches can leave (they have penalties paid by the new school), then athletes

TailgateU

8/23/17 11:44am

Often coaches have non-competes too. Look at Bielema's contract at Arkansas...

cougfromcali

8/23/17 11:58am

Things have sure been quiet about Bernard

bluegato

8/23/17 12:19pm

That would be devastating for Bernard. He would be redshirting here but wouldn't

The Lone Star Cougar

8/23/17 12:24pm

IIRC, he could enroll at utah before Sept 1st in order to be eligible but can't

ManicBlue

8/23/17 2:05pm

PK is a tool. It's funny that the article is about BYU's handling of FB but the

ManicBlue

8/23/17 1:19pm

What a complete idiot. Coaches have contracts the same as players

youngbuck

8/23/17 1:30pm

RE: What a complete idiot. Coaches have contracts the same as players

lstarr

8/23/17 1:43pm

It's actually becoming more common for coaches to have non-competes as well.

cougfromcali

8/23/17 1:48pm

I didn't read his article the San

youngbuck

8/23/17 1:50pm

I didn't read his article the same way, missed the argument you made.

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