RE: What a complete idiot. Coaches have contracts the same as players

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Aug 23, 2017
1:43:18pm

lstarr Walk-on

RE: What a complete idiot. Coaches have contracts the same as players

Coaches have buyouts in their contracts and generally big money boosters who will pony up to get them out of their contacts. Players have no rights under their contacts and the school can revoke their scholarship without any recourse back to the plays. Its apples and orange to compare the scholarship contact with the coaches employment contract.

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lstarr

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Article: Patrick Kinahan: Rules should force BYU to let Bernard leave without restriction View

[KSL.com] Patrick Kinahan, KSL.com Contributor

8/23/17 10:27am

We have all agreed to let you leave without restriction PK

8/23/17 10:28am

Do we even know if FB has asked for a release? Isn't he still thinking it over-- despite what his bro says.

soupie

8/23/17 10:29am

no indication from any reliable source that it is true. Tuiaki withdrew his

8/23/17 10:30am

link?

Y4LYFE

8/23/17 11:07am

link to what? Tuiaki? It was discussed all day yesterda

8/23/17 11:15am

I get that PK is buddies with KW and all...

Eddie

8/23/17 10:32am

It's also pressing into ncaa ethically gray area

8/23/17 10:33am

Rules should force Patrick Kinahan to leave the state of Utah.

LiveY'r

8/23/17 10:33am

PK has the names wrong. The headline is more apt for the Tukuafua story.

84 Grad

8/23/17 10:35am

Definitely applies. It fits both situations.

8/23/17 10:58am

Does it fit the Bernard case? Is BYU withholding his transfer?

84 Grad

8/23/17 11:02am

Nobody knows.

8/23/17 11:07am

You should be able to restrict from teams on schedule over remaining eligiblity

Honor Code

8/23/17 10:40am

If you never attended the school or practice, you should be unrestricted (Joe T)

Honor Code

8/23/17 10:41am

There is even a Kyle Whittingham quote at the end that says just that

8/23/17 10:50am

This headline is ridiculous. The article is just an argument that athletes

JustKeyrock

8/23/17 10:40am

PK writes an ethically bankrupt article. He is not forthcoming about the

darkcoug

8/23/17 10:42am

I agree with him. What's everyone's problem?

SoCalCoug

8/23/17 10:53am

I've learned that most don't care about individuals, only institutions.

thebruce

8/23/17 10:58am

Why can't both be protected?

8/23/17 11:15am

Programs should have a right to kick someone out

thebruce

8/23/17 11:18am

Why should players have a right to transfer without penalty if it could...

8/23/17 11:26am

Are you prohibited from receiving money from a 3rd party?

thebruce

8/23/17 11:44am

Hahaha, really? Only like every time. Non-competes and/or buyout penalties are

8/23/17 11:52am

So wait, you can't take money if you sell some shoes or accept gifts?

thebruce

8/23/17 11:58am

I'm not talking about a competitor. I'm talking about a booster.

thebruce

8/23/17 11:59am

Sure, that's not all that uncommon either, but it depends on the job, of course.

8/23/17 12:13pm

My point is you are acting like a student athlete is comparable to regular jobs

thebruce

8/23/17 12:24pm

Nobody forces them to sign their contracts. In fact, most students would give...

8/23/17 1:40pm

Again, you are proving you care about institutions more than individuals.

thebruce

8/23/17 1:43pm

No, I really don't, I just care that contracts which benefit BOTH are honored.

8/23/17 1:47pm

Yes, and I'm saying the contracts aren't fair to both.

thebruce

8/23/17 1:51pm

So, let me get this straight -- you're proposing that rival school boosters...

8/23/17 1:59pm

RE: So, let me get this straight -- you're proposing that rival school

lstarr

8/23/17 2:06pm

Whoa ... where did you come from in this discussion?

ManicBlue

8/23/17 2:11pm

No I'm not talking about rivals at all.

thebruce

8/23/17 2:09pm

So you're not talking about FB at all then? Just trying to get your argument

ManicBlue

8/23/17 2:13pm

Is this a serious question?

8/23/17 11:16am

Two big problems I see:

LiveY'r

8/23/17 11:44am

Based on all the KW quotes, there's nothing justifying the headline's assertion.

Accipiter

8/23/17 10:56am

Headlines are written by the copy desk, not the writer of the article. Seems they have

soupie

8/23/17 10:58am

Got it. PK basically wrote the headline in the first paragraph though, so in

Accipiter

8/23/17 11:59am

Yep, that's basically what they go off. Read the lead (1st paragraph or so) and write the headline.

soupie

8/23/17 12:06pm

He said the same exact thing many on here have said for days.

8/23/17 10:57am

KSL, you shouldnt bother coming here. I never click on a PK garbarticle

Y4LYFE

8/23/17 11:07am

Love how the BYU player who hasn't announced anything is chosen for this article

8/23/17 11:34am

PK is a HACK!

DirkSpiderS

8/23/17 11:42am

If coaches can leave (they have penalties paid by the new school), then athletes

TailgateU

8/23/17 11:44am

Often coaches have non-competes too. Look at Bielema's contract at Arkansas...

8/23/17 11:58am

Things have sure been quiet about Bernard

bluegato

8/23/17 12:19pm

That would be devastating for Bernard. He would be redshirting here but wouldn't

The Lone Star Cougar

8/23/17 12:24pm

IIRC, he could enroll at utah before Sept 1st in order to be eligible but can't

ManicBlue

8/23/17 2:05pm

PK is a tool. It's funny that the article is about BYU's handling of FB but the

ManicBlue

8/23/17 1:19pm

What a complete idiot. Coaches have contracts the same as players

youngbuck

8/23/17 1:30pm

RE: What a complete idiot. Coaches have contracts the same as players

lstarr

8/23/17 1:43pm

It's actually becoming more common for coaches to have non-competes as well.

8/23/17 1:48pm

I didn't read his article the San

youngbuck

8/23/17 1:50pm

I didn't read his article the same way, missed the argument you made.

youngbuck

8/23/17 1:52pm

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