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Abe Froman

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Can an illegal alien go to BYU?

ballen

9/13/17 8:50am

I know some that did.

blueaussie

9/13/17 8:51am

They say that Women are from Venus

BYULAWGUY

9/13/17 8:52am

You mean an "undocumented person"? They aren't aliens. Degrading term

nashty

9/13/17 8:55am

You as an immigration attorney should know that the term "illegal alien" is how

cheezedawg

9/13/17 8:59am

i don't care what the INA says i can have my own personal opinion about the term

nashty

9/13/17 9:45am

You can't have a personal definition on terms, though

Skeptical Optimist

9/13/17 9:47am

i don't have my own definition. i know what it means. "undocumented person"

nashty

9/13/17 9:48am

"Alien" means "foreigner". "Person" does not mean "foreigner".

canofpicante

9/13/17 2:14pm

Yes, but nashty doesn't recognize the definitions of the Constitution, the IRS

Ozymandias

9/13/17 3:34pm

But you went way beyond just having a personal opinion - you corrected another

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 9:52am

you have reading comprehension problems if you believe what you just posted

nashty

9/13/17 9:57am

I'll take that to mean you can't refute my point.

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 10:00am

i can...read through this thread. i'm not explaining everything again. and i

nashty

9/13/17 10:10am

I didn't say "attacked", I said "corrected". Big difference. I've read the

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 10:23am

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Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 10:17am

Yeah, you DEFINITELY voted for Hillary. And, no, I don't care at all if

BleedCougarBlue2

9/13/17 2:33pm

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MMCougIII

9/13/17 3:40pm

BS. An "illegal alien" is an "illegal alien". You voted 4 Hillary, didn't you?

BleedCougarBlue2

9/13/17 9:01am

pathetic

ag4cougs

9/13/17 9:32am

What....you voted for Hillary, too? PC runs amok here at CB. Sad.

BleedCougarBlue2

9/13/17 2:31pm

RE: You mean an "undocumented person"? They aren't aliens. Degrading term

maxpowers

9/13/17 9:02am

Are you gunning for one of the new Mod positions?

ballen

9/13/17 9:03am

That's what I heard.

SandYFan

9/13/17 9:27am

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Abe Froman

9/13/17 12:48pm

what on earth does my stance on this term have to do with the new "mod election"

nashty

9/13/17 9:44am

RE: what on earth does my stance on this term have to do with the new "mod election"

indocoug

9/13/17 10:17am

LOL...i'm the one riled up...look at the 50 other people in this thread with

nashty

9/13/17 10:25am

I think it was meant in jest. I know that is what the meme was intended as well. But your reaction to

indocoug

9/13/17 11:00am

Isn't that a real and legal term that has been used for decades?

sgriff

9/13/17 9:04am

Yes. But some get hurt feelings for being called exactly what they are.

maxpowers

9/13/17 9:05am

The word mentally Retarded was a medical term for a long time too but it's no

GeauxCougs

9/13/17 9:09am

I don't feel like kow towing to the perpetual victims

cheezedawg

9/13/17 9:17am

that's fine and I'm fine with the term illegal immigrant, but terms do change

GeauxCougs

9/13/17 9:37am

So how long do we have with intellectually disabled before that turns into

kotacoug

9/13/17 9:38am

maybe, but the term MR is not an okay term. you of all people, as a healthcare

GeauxCougs

9/13/17 9:43am

The word "retarded" was hijacked and used as an adjective to describe someone or something stupid

Conan

9/13/17 2:13pm

RE: You mean an "undocumented person"? They aren't aliens. Degrading term

RSLCoug

9/13/17 9:06am

I think the "illegal" part bugs them more than the "alien" part.

cheezedawg

9/13/17 9:18am

Here. You'd think an immigration attorney wouldn't need this, but...

maxpowers

9/13/17 9:10am

Degrading unless Sting sings about it, then it's cool, amiright?

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 9:10am

Ok, I'll bite. How is it degrading? Is resident alien a degrading term?

Skeptical Optimist

9/13/17 9:18am

I get that it's maybe the correct legal term, but to me it takes the "human"

che flaco

9/13/17 9:52am

Aliens are human. Check a dictionary

kotacoug

9/13/17 11:16am

I think if ballen had used it in a degrading way, I'd be offended. Clearly he's trying to help someone.

Supercoug

9/13/17 9:40am

who said i'm personally offended? i just don't like calling people "aliens". i

nashty

9/13/17 9:46am

Let me guess, you also don't think a cheap person should be called niggardly?

DirtyWater

9/14/17 7:55pm

The thing that I hate about illegal aliens is that they do illegal things

Backcountry

9/13/17 9:52am

I think that's humane and fair, but wouldn't illegal immigrant be more

SWP

9/13/17 9:59am

"Hitman" is so perjorative, I prefer "unlicensed exterminator"

Gil Buckman

9/13/17 10:19am

“He who takes offense when no offense is intended is a fool . . . " B. Young.

protonspring

9/13/17 10:30am

It's the correct English word. Just because many now associate it with little

DB Cooper

9/13/17 10:47am

LOL. Are you kidding me? First off I'm so tired of everyone being so easily

chazen

9/13/17 10:49am

"Nashty" is an offensive and derogatory term for Steve Nash and people like him.

protonspring

9/13/17 10:55am

As an immigration attorney, you know probably better than almost anyone the answer to the OP's question

KingDave

9/13/17 10:58am

You're asking why the lawyer is arguing?

Breaded Hamster

9/13/17 2:40pm

You're right that it is a degrading term. But wrong to claim they are not aliens

frontrowcougar

9/13/17 11:15am

Yet when we travel to the moon or mars, we are Aliens. #DoubleStandard

Y2k

9/13/17 11:49am

RE: You mean an "undocumented person"? They aren't aliens. Degrading term

zonacougar

9/13/17 12:06pm

Nashty, you're debating semantics brother. Illegal is a correct term and an alien is exactly what they are by INA

Cheesy Gordita

9/13/17 12:11pm

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MMCougIII

9/13/17 3:34pm

Words are hard. Especially the English ones. Let me help you.

Pimpin4Paradise

9/13/17 6:51pm

I'm offended by trying to soften the law breaking by changing "illegal" to

StantonMac

9/14/17 6:20am

I agree. I don't like the term either.

Y-Phile

9/14/17 9:56am

As far as I know immigrations status has no bearing at BYU.

El Fuego

9/13/17 8:59am

RE: Can an illegal alien go to BYU?

RSLCoug

9/13/17 8:59am

I know that they can go on missions, so I assume they could go to BYU too.

cougfromcali

9/13/17 9:07am

And serve as bishops

TheMaineCougar

9/13/17 9:10am

and stake presidents, and sealers.

TeeKaa

9/13/17 9:31am

The Church calls illegals to serve as bishops and as full-time missionaries, so

chilango

9/13/17 9:08am

Because they are required to have the right documentation.

RSLCoug

9/13/17 9:10am

According to this, there are lots of universities that admit illegals, and even

chilango

9/13/17 9:22am

I've had friends turned down because of it. I disagree with it, but they've been turned down.

RSLCoug

9/13/17 9:24am

Official BYU policy is that you need legal status to be admitted.

Mexicancougar

9/13/17 9:30am

So they should be dishonest to get admitted to BYU?

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 9:35am

They're not being dishonest.

Mexicancougar

9/13/17 9:47am

Are they asked if they're a citizen of the United States?

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 9:58am

That would be a strange question to ask, as it has nothing to do with anything

chilango

9/13/17 2:33pm

Among other things, citizenship status controls eligibility for financial aid.

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 2:46pm

Many people confuse "citizenship" with "permanent residence" (i.e. green cards).

chilango

9/13/17 2:51pm

I think we've drifted from the main point. Permanent residents are not the same

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 3:00pm

Those aren't actually laws, they're proposed laws -- but I still agree with you.

cougfromcali

9/13/17 9:13am

Lol, and the church is always 100% right in everything they do

Backcountry

9/13/17 9:53am

This isn't a discussion about right vs wrong, but about whether BYU admits

chilango

9/13/17 10:32am

It's batting average is probably higher than ours.

ag4cougs

9/13/17 11:05am

Yes they can.

Mexicancougar

9/13/17 9:27am

Thanks.

ballen

9/13/17 9:30am

Wow... I wonder if we can get the HC office to look the other way a few times

kotacoug

9/13/17 9:41am

I was the YM President of one who is at BYUI now.

NVACougar

9/13/17 10:29am

Here are instructions for how undocumented students should apply to Utah

chilango

9/13/17 9:40am

Yes but good luck finding a parking spot for their space ship.

IceCreamButt

9/13/17 2:46pm

Yes, I know of one from my ward that is a freshman

mosterlow

9/13/17 3:52pm

Just ask. I've known missionaries who were not here legally. The Church really

TailgateU

9/13/17 4:17pm

Yes

byuTX

9/13/17 7:29pm

RE: Can an illegal alien go to BYU?

rmreitz

9/14/17 1:55pm

are you worried that he might be deported and what that will do to your family?

NVACougar

9/16/17 8:11am

If your daughter is a U.S. citizen, cannot the man she marries be given

Bullrider

9/16/17 8:24am

It's not automatic. I have a friend who married a US citizen like 10 years ago,

chilango

9/16/17 9:15am

My understanding of immigration

rmreitz

9/18/17 1:03pm

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