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Sep 14, 2017
6:20:42am

StantonMac All-American

I'm offended by trying to soften the law breaking by changing "illegal" to

"undocumented ". They came illegally. They stay illegally. They are illegal. Don't try to diminish that by changing words. We both know this is more about softening "illegal" than being offended at "alien". If they are offended at being called "illegal" then good.

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Can an illegal alien go to BYU?

ballen

9/13/17 8:50am

I know some that did.

blueaussie

9/13/17 8:51am

They say that Women are from Venus

BYULAWGUY

9/13/17 8:52am

You mean an "undocumented person"? They aren't aliens. Degrading term

nashty

9/13/17 8:55am

You as an immigration attorney should know that the term "illegal alien" is how

cheezedawg

9/13/17 8:59am

i don't care what the INA says i can have my own personal opinion about the term

nashty

9/13/17 9:45am

You can't have a personal definition on terms, though

Skeptical Optimist

9/13/17 9:47am

i don't have my own definition. i know what it means. "undocumented person"

nashty

9/13/17 9:48am

"Alien" means "foreigner". "Person" does not mean "foreigner".

canofpicante

9/13/17 2:14pm

Yes, but nashty doesn't recognize the definitions of the Constitution, the IRS

Ozymandias

9/13/17 3:34pm

But you went way beyond just having a personal opinion - you corrected another

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 9:52am

you have reading comprehension problems if you believe what you just posted

nashty

9/13/17 9:57am

I'll take that to mean you can't refute my point.

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 10:00am

i can...read through this thread. i'm not explaining everything again. and i

nashty

9/13/17 10:10am

I didn't say "attacked", I said "corrected". Big difference. I've read the

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 10:23am

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Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 10:17am

Yeah, you DEFINITELY voted for Hillary. And, no, I don't care at all if

BleedCougarBlue2

9/13/17 2:33pm

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MMCougIII

9/13/17 3:40pm

BS. An "illegal alien" is an "illegal alien". You voted 4 Hillary, didn't you?

BleedCougarBlue2

9/13/17 9:01am

pathetic

ag4cougs

9/13/17 9:32am

What....you voted for Hillary, too? PC runs amok here at CB. Sad.

BleedCougarBlue2

9/13/17 2:31pm

RE: You mean an "undocumented person"? They aren't aliens. Degrading term

maxpowers

9/13/17 9:02am

Are you gunning for one of the new Mod positions?

ballen

9/13/17 9:03am

That's what I heard.

SandYFan

9/13/17 9:27am

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Abe Froman

9/13/17 12:48pm

what on earth does my stance on this term have to do with the new "mod election"

nashty

9/13/17 9:44am

RE: what on earth does my stance on this term have to do with the new "mod election"

indocoug

9/13/17 10:17am

LOL...i'm the one riled up...look at the 50 other people in this thread with

nashty

9/13/17 10:25am

I think it was meant in jest. I know that is what the meme was intended as well. But your reaction to

indocoug

9/13/17 11:00am

Isn't that a real and legal term that has been used for decades?

sgriff

9/13/17 9:04am

Yes. But some get hurt feelings for being called exactly what they are.

maxpowers

9/13/17 9:05am

The word mentally Retarded was a medical term for a long time too but it's no

GeauxCougs

9/13/17 9:09am

I don't feel like kow towing to the perpetual victims

cheezedawg

9/13/17 9:17am

that's fine and I'm fine with the term illegal immigrant, but terms do change

GeauxCougs

9/13/17 9:37am

So how long do we have with intellectually disabled before that turns into

kotacoug

9/13/17 9:38am

maybe, but the term MR is not an okay term. you of all people, as a healthcare

GeauxCougs

9/13/17 9:43am

The word "retarded" was hijacked and used as an adjective to describe someone or something stupid

Conan

9/13/17 2:13pm

RE: You mean an "undocumented person"? They aren't aliens. Degrading term

RSLCoug

9/13/17 9:06am

I think the "illegal" part bugs them more than the "alien" part.

cheezedawg

9/13/17 9:18am

Here. You'd think an immigration attorney wouldn't need this, but...

maxpowers

9/13/17 9:10am

Degrading unless Sting sings about it, then it's cool, amiright?

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 9:10am

Ok, I'll bite. How is it degrading? Is resident alien a degrading term?

Skeptical Optimist

9/13/17 9:18am

I get that it's maybe the correct legal term, but to me it takes the "human"

che flaco

9/13/17 9:52am

Aliens are human. Check a dictionary

kotacoug

9/13/17 11:16am

I think if ballen had used it in a degrading way, I'd be offended. Clearly he's trying to help someone.

Supercoug

9/13/17 9:40am

who said i'm personally offended? i just don't like calling people "aliens". i

nashty

9/13/17 9:46am

Let me guess, you also don't think a cheap person should be called niggardly?

DirtyWater

9/14/17 7:55pm

The thing that I hate about illegal aliens is that they do illegal things

Backcountry

9/13/17 9:52am

I think that's humane and fair, but wouldn't illegal immigrant be more

SWP

9/13/17 9:59am

"Hitman" is so perjorative, I prefer "unlicensed exterminator"

Gil Buckman

9/13/17 10:19am

“He who takes offense when no offense is intended is a fool . . . " B. Young.

protonspring

9/13/17 10:30am

It's the correct English word. Just because many now associate it with little

DB Cooper

9/13/17 10:47am

LOL. Are you kidding me? First off I'm so tired of everyone being so easily

chazen

9/13/17 10:49am

"Nashty" is an offensive and derogatory term for Steve Nash and people like him.

protonspring

9/13/17 10:55am

As an immigration attorney, you know probably better than almost anyone the answer to the OP's question

KingDave

9/13/17 10:58am

You're asking why the lawyer is arguing?

Breaded Hamster

9/13/17 2:40pm

You're right that it is a degrading term. But wrong to claim they are not aliens

9/13/17 11:15am

Yet when we travel to the moon or mars, we are Aliens. #DoubleStandard

Y2k

9/13/17 11:49am

RE: You mean an "undocumented person"? They aren't aliens. Degrading term

zonacougar

9/13/17 12:06pm

Nashty, you're debating semantics brother. Illegal is a correct term and an alien is exactly what they are by INA

9/13/17 12:11pm

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MMCougIII

9/13/17 3:34pm

Words are hard. Especially the English ones. Let me help you.

Pimpin4Paradise

9/13/17 6:51pm

I'm offended by trying to soften the law breaking by changing "illegal" to

StantonMac

9/14/17 6:20am

I agree. I don't like the term either.

Y-Phile

9/14/17 9:56am

As far as I know immigrations status has no bearing at BYU.

El Fuego

9/13/17 8:59am

RE: Can an illegal alien go to BYU?

RSLCoug

9/13/17 8:59am

I know that they can go on missions, so I assume they could go to BYU too.

9/13/17 9:07am

And serve as bishops

9/13/17 9:10am

and stake presidents, and sealers.

TeeKaa

9/13/17 9:31am

The Church calls illegals to serve as bishops and as full-time missionaries, so

chilango

9/13/17 9:08am

Because they are required to have the right documentation.

RSLCoug

9/13/17 9:10am

According to this, there are lots of universities that admit illegals, and even

chilango

9/13/17 9:22am

I've had friends turned down because of it. I disagree with it, but they've been turned down.

RSLCoug

9/13/17 9:24am

Official BYU policy is that you need legal status to be admitted.

Mexicancougar

9/13/17 9:30am

So they should be dishonest to get admitted to BYU?

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 9:35am

They're not being dishonest.

Mexicancougar

9/13/17 9:47am

Are they asked if they're a citizen of the United States?

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 9:58am

That would be a strange question to ask, as it has nothing to do with anything

chilango

9/13/17 2:33pm

Among other things, citizenship status controls eligibility for financial aid.

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 2:46pm

Many people confuse "citizenship" with "permanent residence" (i.e. green cards).

chilango

9/13/17 2:51pm

I think we've drifted from the main point. Permanent residents are not the same

Dread Pirate Westley

9/13/17 3:00pm

Those aren't actually laws, they're proposed laws -- but I still agree with you.

9/13/17 9:13am

Lol, and the church is always 100% right in everything they do

Backcountry

9/13/17 9:53am

This isn't a discussion about right vs wrong, but about whether BYU admits

chilango

9/13/17 10:32am

It's batting average is probably higher than ours.

ag4cougs

9/13/17 11:05am

Yes they can.

Mexicancougar

9/13/17 9:27am

Thanks.

ballen

9/13/17 9:30am

Wow... I wonder if we can get the HC office to look the other way a few times

kotacoug

9/13/17 9:41am

I was the YM President of one who is at BYUI now.

NVACougar

9/13/17 10:29am

Here are instructions for how undocumented students should apply to Utah

chilango

9/13/17 9:40am

Yes but good luck finding a parking spot for their space ship.

9/13/17 2:46pm

Yes, I know of one from my ward that is a freshman

mosterlow

9/13/17 3:52pm

Just ask. I've known missionaries who were not here legally. The Church really

TailgateU

9/13/17 4:17pm

Yes

byuTX

9/13/17 7:29pm

RE: Can an illegal alien go to BYU?

rmreitz

9/14/17 1:55pm

are you worried that he might be deported and what that will do to your family?

NVACougar

9/16/17 8:11am

If your daughter is a U.S. citizen, cannot the man she marries be given

Bullrider

9/16/17 8:24am

It's not automatic. I have a friend who married a US citizen like 10 years ago,

chilango

9/16/17 9:15am

My understanding of immigration

rmreitz

9/18/17 1:03pm

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