How many people had the chance to speak up and didn't? Or who had the final say?

Jul 11, 2019
11:36:11am

DKN Lord of Light 2020

I'm not saying criminal charges are necessary, but there needs to be a serious effort to avoid a situation like this in the future

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Straight up child endangerment. Yeesh.

DKN Lord of Light 2020

7/11/19 11:21am

Funny, but not funny.

IdahoCoug

7/11/19 11:28am

Did they even test them? Doesn't seem so.

mudpupper

7/11/19 11:35am

These guys should have stuck to the Raingutter Regatta

ConnCoug

7/11/19 11:28am

Scoutmasters... amirite?

The Machine

7/11/19 11:29am

How many people had the chance to speak up and didn't? Or who had the final say?

DKN

7/11/19 11:36am

Criminal charges? Parents would have all been ok with this trip

USMCdad

7/11/19 11:41am

I believe my exact wording was "I'm not saying criminal charges are necessary"

DKN

7/11/19 11:45am

Well yeah, i know you did....

USMCdad

7/11/19 12:03pm

No, you're not right.

crazY

7/11/19 12:26pm

River canoeing is very dangerous without extensive experience, proper gear...

bluefish

7/11/19 11:31am

Failure of all 3.

flavordave

7/11/19 11:32am

We did that when I was a scout, but made them out of wood and canvass

USMCdad

7/11/19 11:32am

We did the same thing (make kayaks from wood and canvas)

sunspot

7/11/19 11:35am

Then your scout leaders weren’t too bright either. 67 miles in a canoe made by a

The Dude Abides

7/11/19 11:57am

Yeah I can see how some people would think that

USMCdad

7/11/19 12:08pm

It’s not dumb to do hard things. It’s dumb to go nearly 70 miles in canoes made by teenagers on fast water

The Dude Abides

7/11/19 12:16pm

Absolutely not an aggressive white water trip in these

USMCdad

7/11/19 12:44pm

Well yeah. I’m all for river trips. I don’t think anyone would say “how can anyone take scouts on river trips”?

The Dude Abides

7/11/19 1:10pm

100% depends on the expertise of the people involved. I agree that there are very very few people who would be

mvtoro

7/11/19 2:47pm

What you describe is the difference between well planned & executed & not.

Eddie

7/11/19 1:51pm

Those leaders are complete and dangerous idiots.

mudpupper

7/11/19 11:34am

on youtube it looked so easy

jwf

7/11/19 11:38am

Maybe they were relying on the pre-activity prayer

byu1

7/11/19 11:42am

I had a friend make such a canoe that lasted years. They should have tested

YSMACK

7/11/19 11:53am

Paddling around on a lake would be a fun idea. 67 miles on a river is a potential

The Dude Abides

7/11/19 11:56am

Doesn't have to be. Not if done correctly.

Eddie

7/11/19 1:52pm

“If done correctly” to me is having real canoes that a professional made.

The Dude Abides

7/11/19 2:12pm

Just because you don't know how to make a canoe correctly, doesn't mean no one..

Eddie

7/11/19 2:18pm

It's because of stories like this that any activity out of our zip code gets

The Pope

7/11/19 11:48am

Honestly, seems like a super cool idea to me. Obviously, they should have tested

YSMACK

7/11/19 11:52am

Yeah, I understand doing something dumb to force a release from scouting

Belboz

7/11/19 12:03pm

Anyone done this stretch (labyrinth canyon) before? I have several times. They have a ranger at the dock that checks

Hank Rearden

7/11/19 1:23pm

We did a 50 miler on the Colorado near Moab, but real canoes.

Florwood

7/11/19 1:29pm

This is why you need leaders with common sense to plan activities.

Ode to Hoy

7/11/19 2:49pm

Need a calling for "troop skeptic". The guy who doesn't necessarily shut down every cool thing, but goes into every

mvtoro

7/11/19 2:55pm

That is hopefully what the Bishop will do. But I agree with the thought and idea

Ode to Hoy

7/11/19 2:56pm

Yeah, it's his job by default, but he might not be good at it, and I'd rather he doesn't have to be the bad guy. Just

mvtoro

7/11/19 3:12pm

I wonder what the parents were thinking and if they were properly informed of the activity

DKN

7/11/19 2:57pm

That’s the parents role IMO, if parents aren’t involved in planning

USMCdad

7/11/19 6:03pm

Of course that's how it should be. But sometimes it just isn't. Again, it's the diffusion of responsibility that allows

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