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Jul 11, 2019
2:49:42pm

Ode to Hoy All-American

This is why you need leaders with common sense to plan activities.

I get wanting to teach the boys how to build canoes, but you use those canoes on a lake under safety guidelines set up to protect these boys while also allowing development and encouragement.

These types of activites are what keep Bishops and Stake Preaidents up at night (unless they are the ones planning it)

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Ode to Hoy

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Straight up child endangerment. Yeesh.

DKN Lord of Light 2020

7/11/19 11:21am

Funny, but not funny.

IdahoCoug

7/11/19 11:28am

Did they even test them? Doesn't seem so.

mudpupper

7/11/19 11:35am

These guys should have stuck to the Raingutter Regatta

ConnCoug

7/11/19 11:28am

Scoutmasters... amirite?

The Machine

7/11/19 11:29am

How many people had the chance to speak up and didn't? Or who had the final say?

DKN

7/11/19 11:36am

Criminal charges? Parents would have all been ok with this trip

USMCdad

7/11/19 11:41am

I believe my exact wording was "I'm not saying criminal charges are necessary"

DKN

7/11/19 11:45am

Well yeah, i know you did....

USMCdad

7/11/19 12:03pm

No, you're not right.

crazY

7/11/19 12:26pm

River canoeing is very dangerous without extensive experience, proper gear...

bluefish

7/11/19 11:31am

Failure of all 3.

flavordave

7/11/19 11:32am

We did that when I was a scout, but made them out of wood and canvass

USMCdad

7/11/19 11:32am

We did the same thing (make kayaks from wood and canvas)

sunspot

7/11/19 11:35am

Then your scout leaders weren’t too bright either. 67 miles in a canoe made by a

The Dude Abides

7/11/19 11:57am

Yeah I can see how some people would think that

USMCdad

7/11/19 12:08pm

It’s not dumb to do hard things. It’s dumb to go nearly 70 miles in canoes made by teenagers on fast water

The Dude Abides

7/11/19 12:16pm

Absolutely not an aggressive white water trip in these

USMCdad

7/11/19 12:44pm

Well yeah. I’m all for river trips. I don’t think anyone would say “how can anyone take scouts on river trips”?

The Dude Abides

7/11/19 1:10pm

100% depends on the expertise of the people involved. I agree that there are very very few people who would be

mvtoro

7/11/19 2:47pm

What you describe is the difference between well planned & executed & not.

Eddie

7/11/19 1:51pm

Those leaders are complete and dangerous idiots.

mudpupper

7/11/19 11:34am

on youtube it looked so easy

jwf

7/11/19 11:38am

Maybe they were relying on the pre-activity prayer

byu1

7/11/19 11:42am

I had a friend make such a canoe that lasted years. They should have tested

YSMACK

7/11/19 11:53am

Paddling around on a lake would be a fun idea. 67 miles on a river is a potential

The Dude Abides

7/11/19 11:56am

Doesn't have to be. Not if done correctly.

Eddie

7/11/19 1:52pm

“If done correctly” to me is having real canoes that a professional made.

The Dude Abides

7/11/19 2:12pm

Just because you don't know how to make a canoe correctly, doesn't mean no one..

Eddie

7/11/19 2:18pm

It's because of stories like this that any activity out of our zip code gets

The Pope

7/11/19 11:48am

Honestly, seems like a super cool idea to me. Obviously, they should have tested

YSMACK

7/11/19 11:52am

Yeah, I understand doing something dumb to force a release from scouting

Belboz

7/11/19 12:03pm

Anyone done this stretch (labyrinth canyon) before? I have several times. They have a ranger at the dock that checks

7/11/19 1:23pm

We did a 50 miler on the Colorado near Moab, but real canoes.

Florwood

7/11/19 1:29pm

This is why you need leaders with common sense to plan activities.

Ode to Hoy

7/11/19 2:49pm

Need a calling for "troop skeptic". The guy who doesn't necessarily shut down every cool thing, but goes into every

mvtoro

7/11/19 2:55pm

That is hopefully what the Bishop will do. But I agree with the thought and idea

Ode to Hoy

7/11/19 2:56pm

Yeah, it's his job by default, but he might not be good at it, and I'd rather he doesn't have to be the bad guy. Just

mvtoro

7/11/19 3:12pm

I wonder what the parents were thinking and if they were properly informed of the activity

DKN

7/11/19 2:57pm

That’s the parents role IMO, if parents aren’t involved in planning

USMCdad

7/11/19 6:03pm

Of course that's how it should be. But sometimes it just isn't. Again, it's the diffusion of responsibility that allows

mvtoro

7/11/19 6:14pm

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