Lucky it didn't make for a dead kid.

I don't get it either.

WhirleyPop

2/12/20 2:11pm

Essentially a two year fast

Q-grr

2/12/20 5:15pm

Or.... not????

Pretorian

2/12/20 8:52pm

Humans are humans. Labels don't change that fact.

foofcoug

2/12/20 2:12pm

Doesn’t the coach talk about putting yourself in compromising positions. Don’t

Cosmo4life

2/12/20 2:14pm

Maybe? Probably? I don't know.

foofcoug

2/12/20 2:17pm

Kids are dumb these days. I thought my generation was bad

Cosmo4life

2/12/20 2:19pm

Not sure what generation you grew up in that didn’t have kids who

The Dude Abides

2/12/20 2:20pm

The first time I drank coffee was as a freshman at BYU. The first time I drank

coastcat

2/12/20 4:11pm

Jazzycougar dupe?

holipuluki

2/12/20 4:46pm

which is why I hate the honor code. Let’s let people repent without ruining

ColonelMustard

2/12/20 8:25pm

Ok Boomer

WeekendWarrior

2/12/20 6:04pm

DUIs are way bigger deal in this century than they were in the previous century.

Lieutenant America

2/12/20 6:30pm

They were bad.

Tsisquan

2/12/20 7:54pm

But spiritual experience should.

Division Bell

2/12/20 2:18pm

I think that assumption is a mistake in assessing situations and a thought process that opens people up to being taken

foofcoug

2/12/20 2:22pm

We'll have to agree to disagree. It sounds like an overused excuse.

Division Bell

2/12/20 2:28pm

You aren’t buying it that chaz is human?

thebruce

2/12/20 4:04pm

There’s nothing “magic wand” about 2 years of dedication to the gospel.

MormonThug

2/12/20 6:49pm

Spiritual Experiences don’t change your life.

BYUAnime

2/12/20 3:50pm

Not to mention not all RMs enjoyed their mission

thebruce

2/12/20 4:05pm

I’ve definitely seen that. Getting excommunicated as a missionary.

BYUAnime

2/12/20 4:16pm

Love this point

D.T. Survivor

2/12/20 4:35pm

Lol didn't Joseph Smith drink at some point? Get over yourself

GigantorCat

2/12/20 7:26pm

Probably even drove the wagon home drunk too... At 75 mph in a 35

gmj81

2/12/20 7:35pm

But how could someone so spiritual ever take a drink?! That's the stupid point

GigantorCat

2/12/20 7:51pm

You do know that Joseph Smith was the one that revealed the WOW, right?

gmj81

2/12/20 8:54pm

Peter denied Christ 3 times. People make mistakes all the time. It’s idiotic to hold certain sins over other people

IceBlueCoug

2/12/20 9:16pm

No I didnt know that, I guess Jesus has gotten really tough on alcohol vs then

GigantorCat

2/12/20 10:08pm

No, but I guarantee Porter Rockwell came close to it

Q-grr

2/12/20 9:33pm

Naïve

Tsisquan

2/12/20 7:55pm

Labels? No. But 2 years of dedicated service should change the fact. It has to

SlantRoute

2/12/20 2:25pm

It has to? Apparently not, as this isn't the only example we have.

foofcoug

2/12/20 2:27pm

it generally does, but obviously not a hard and fast rule

Bob Vance

2/12/20 2:40pm

my experience has told me that the same kid comes back..

EEcougar

2/12/20 2:48pm

I agree. I almost never saw guys who had never partied before their missions

BYUlv

2/12/20 3:50pm

I know some guys in my ward growing up who did a complete 180. They

ChiCityCoug

2/12/20 5:13pm

I bet you those guys are still susceptible to the same temptations though

SMITTY

2/12/20 6:19pm

Yeah, maybe. My response was to the idea that you come back

ChiCityCoug

2/12/20 6:25pm

I had a roommate at BYU who wanted us(those over 21) to buy beer for him.

dratax

2/12/20 7:23pm

A good portion of RMs go inactive. 2 years of dedicated service doesn’t “have to” change anything.

Virginia Ute

2/12/20 2:50pm

Almost certainly does during those two years, it's what happens, or doesn't,

basman

2/12/20 2:56pm

It changed my life.

ChiCityCoug

2/12/20 5:14pm

Change what fact?

Lip Gallagher

2/12/20 4:38pm

I get what you’re saying but I’m not perfect and have made tons of mistakes,

pilot17

2/12/20 3:12pm

Meant for op

pilot17

2/12/20 3:25pm

Tons of people get away with DUIs quite often.

Jericho

2/12/20 2:13pm

I heard somewhere that on average 88 times before getting their first DUI.

Zilog

2/12/20 2:48pm

Which is why the crackdown has got to be extreme. It is far too commonplace

gmj81

2/12/20 3:35pm

Has happened several times now

I'mBatman

2/12/20 2:13pm

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Buffalo

2/12/20 2:14pm

Your second point is part of it. The HC office does not cross-reference the

dYrtbYkerYder

2/12/20 2:25pm

Peer pressure

BigTex

2/12/20 2:14pm

Maybe as a teen but that's a cop out for a guy his age and experience. Not buying it.

Soupie

2/12/20 2:26pm

Peer pressure exists at every age. To think it doesn't is ludicrous.

IceBlueCoug

2/12/20 2:38pm

Sure but you should learn to deal with it at some point.

Soupie

2/12/20 2:40pm

I agree, but, seeing that he had THC in the car as well tells me he was trying to escape something.

IceBlueCoug

2/12/20 2:44pm

I'll support him AFTER he's come to terms with the consequences. We can get so caught up in giving out 2nd

Soupie

2/12/20 2:51pm

THC, weed? I am sorry telling someone to stand up to and understand peer

coug almighty

2/12/20 2:53pm

Tell that to all the Instagram moms in Utah

cougarsnooty

2/12/20 4:38pm

Not on IG but okay.

Soupie

2/12/20 5:03pm

It's crazy, at least one a year for the last 4 years. And I am sure there are

coug almighty

2/12/20 2:15pm

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Buffalo

2/12/20 2:17pm

Yeah the Provo social scene is a little wierd, but mostly because every one is

coug almighty

2/12/20 2:23pm

Or go to BYU and don't drink and drive. BYU players have been drinking since the

dYrtbYkerYder

2/12/20 2:26pm

Doesn't matter where you go don't drink and drive

ABCoug

2/12/20 7:31pm

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East1999

2/12/20 2:18pm

What kind of kids are in the program that are stealing from other players?

coug almighty

2/12/20 2:25pm

You'd be surprised. There was and always has been rule breaking under previous

SMITTY

2/12/20 3:54pm

Don’t blame this on Kalani

LyleLanley

2/12/20 2:36pm

Why not? Should we blame Holmoe? Worthen?

coug almighty

2/12/20 2:48pm

Why would you blame any of those people? Chaz is an adult, It was his choice

LyleLanley

2/12/20 3:07pm

Because BYU athletics has a culture of "don't get caught"

stoils

2/12/20 3:48pm

These kids are RMs that fit perfectly the type of kid BYU wants

donnerstag

2/12/20 3:33pm

Right. You’re agreeing with me.

LyleLanley

2/12/20 3:39pm

Ula: Hold my frisbee.

byubyu

2/12/20 2:16pm

I don’t think they are necessarily “bad kids”.

The Dude Abides

2/12/20 2:19pm

Yeah, just don't drive. That is stupid. If BYU fans don't think there is a group

dYrtbYkerYder

2/12/20 2:28pm

Yep. Don’t drive.

The Dude Abides

2/12/20 2:33pm

Just because there is, doesn't mean it is okay that there is.

ChiCityCoug

2/12/20 5:15pm

It's not the sex and alcohol I care about. It's the DUI. Infinitely worse than

Backcountry

2/12/20 2:38pm

Not sure how or why the FB team specifically gets caught up in certain circles,

Preppy

2/12/20 2:19pm

It's in part a numbers game. You've got 85 scholarship athletes

BIG XII Coug

2/12/20 2:27pm

I think they are too cool to do the 'standard' Provo scene. I honestly wonder

coug almighty

2/12/20 2:29pm

no one is checking police reports for Ben Christensen Accounting Major

BlueFrog

2/12/20 2:38pm

Didn’t he just brag about everything he was going to do this year on Twitter.

Cosmo4life

2/12/20 2:19pm

I am in no way excusing what he did, but it happens a LOT more than you think.

Cougar TD

2/12/20 2:24pm

Again, not talking about Chaz specifically here. But, just because a kid is a

Cougar TD

2/12/20 2:25pm

You're right but this feels too much like excusing and I can't see that as appropriate or helpful.

Soupie

2/12/20 2:29pm

How is it an excuse? I am replying to the original question of how can a RM

Cougar TD

2/12/20 2:50pm

"happens more than you think" has an "everyone's doing it" ring. My mom quit letting me use that excuse in kindergarten.

Soupie

2/12/20 3:00pm

Again, not giving an excuse... Talking about the fact that more kids drink than

Cougar TD

2/12/20 3:29pm

But you are. Saying it multiple times doesn't change the message.

Soupie

2/12/20 3:30pm

LOL, sure. Continue to be naive and think that stating that more people do

Cougar TD

2/12/20 3:38pm

Never said that. Go ahead and keep thinking I'm naive too.

Soupie

2/12/20 8:19pm

I am, because you are.

Cougar TD

2/12/20 8:39pm

RE: I am, because you are.

Soupie

2/12/20 8:45pm

RE: I am, because you are.

Cougar TD

2/12/20 8:50pm

😂 he’s just saying there are lots of RMs that drink so why be surprised

puntersarepeople

2/12/20 6:41pm

Happening & being okay w/ it are also 2 different things.

Soupie

2/12/20 7:39pm

Never said that I was ok with it.

Cougar TD

2/12/20 8:40pm

No it doesn’t.

puntersarepeople

2/12/20 9:22pm

A lot of people think so though.

Lip Gallagher

2/12/20 3:14pm

You don't think you're more accountable after a mission?

gmj81

2/12/20 3:46pm

Not your place to judge... People are at different levels or places in their

Cougar TD

2/12/20 3:58pm

Who says I am? I've made statements in this thread about two things

gmj81

2/12/20 4:07pm

I think your absolutely right. Finally someone gets caught. Going 75 mph in a 30

Cosmo4life

2/12/20 2:27pm

Yep, the HC changes will make it seem like this is happening less

stansburycoug

2/12/20 2:33pm

Harvey Langi was getting busted with weed and alcohol less than a year home too

SlantRoute

2/12/20 2:25pm

My favorite part of this is how you equate partying to being a bad kid.

reagan21

2/12/20 2:31pm

Driving drunk going 75mph in a 30mph makes for a dumb kid.

Cosmo4life

2/12/20 3:28pm

Lucky it didn't make for a dead kid.

Soupie

2/12/20 3:31pm

When did I mention DUI. The OP said that kids who party are bad kids.

reagan21

2/13/20 10:59am

"I gave 2 years, now I'm gonna take 2 years" is a very common theme with RMs.

Backcountry

2/12/20 2:34pm

Weird. I never once heard that. Ever.

Iman23

2/12/20 2:49pm

Apparently you didn't go to Dixie, SLCC, and Weber ha

Backcountry

2/12/20 2:52pm

I’ve never heard that

Pretorian

2/13/20 4:06am

Heres the thing about missions. They don't tell you a thing about a persons

Backcountry

2/12/20 2:37pm

Pretty much. I have no expectations about missions and their effect on behaviour

The Chelsea Dagger

2/12/20 2:43pm

Agreed

puntersarepeople

2/12/20 3:00pm

Yeah, a lot of them hang out on CB

stoils

2/12/20 3:25pm

It's more than just the WoW and partying.

HONOMO

2/12/20 2:41pm

Same reason we all make mistakes. No one is perfect and in moments of weakness,

westsidecoug

2/12/20 2:41pm

Many of us have served missions. I agree it’s stupid for the fact of the lives

Tuskaloosa Cougar

2/12/20 3:07pm

You would be very, very surprised.

_Dakoko

2/12/20 3:10pm

A mission doesn't guarantee that someone has (or gains) self-control.

dut99002

2/12/20 3:15pm

"Bad kids that party." Well that's a start. Pretty bad generalization there

Lip Gallagher

2/12/20 3:15pm

No one in my mission was a saint. We still had missionaries that had problems.

LyleLanley

2/12/20 3:17pm

Missions aren't magic. People are people. Sometimes people do dumb things.

Roko's Basilisk

2/12/20 3:20pm

Didn’t he come home early? I think he only missed one football season.

golfer7474

2/12/20 3:22pm

Correct

LyleLanley

2/12/20 3:25pm

Is he even 21 years old or isn’t old enough to drink yet

Cosmo4life

2/12/20 3:30pm

Born in 98

Zilog

2/12/20 4:06pm

Same way a guy gets called to be a bishop, then engages in pedophilia. Same way a guy gets called as a MTC president

AD4

2/12/20 3:28pm

Apparently he vapes too. Kids these day. Wants to be in the NFL but has a vape

Cosmo4life

2/12/20 3:32pm

Always disappointing and sad to watch a brother

Vegasjohn

2/12/20 3:43pm

You live in a fantasy world if you dont think kids at BYU drink, smoke, have sex

Cougz19

2/12/20 3:41pm

It's like a mission either makes you or breaks you.

Archaeovagrant

2/12/20 3:57pm

Considering many missionaries are pretty “bunk” this doesn’t surprise me.

Adwight

2/12/20 4:08pm

"Bunk"?......you mean lazy, irresponsible slugs? I had several of those. Ugh.

BleedCougarBlue2

2/12/20 4:35pm

Yep. That was our term for it in my mission. 80/20 totally applied there.

Adwight

2/12/20 4:58pm

A lot of kids have a faith transition at BYU as well

Lakerone

2/12/20 4:23pm

I did for sure. My five o’clock shadow took me out of the circle of honor.

D.T. Survivor

2/12/20 4:39pm

90% seems a tad high based on my personal experience

UMWolverine

2/12/20 5:39pm

Based on me, my roommates, and friends, maybe 10-15%

dratax

2/12/20 8:37pm

Pretty easy I think. After the high of the mission, I think it's natural that most kids come home and go through a low

RUNBYU1

2/12/20 4:44pm

Dumb post. Delete please.

andrewg3

2/12/20 4:51pm

I don’t understand it, but I’ve also never had the desire to drink or do drugs.

Nuke

2/12/20 4:51pm

I used to have a similar mindset

geddylee

2/12/20 5:36pm

A mission doesn’t really mean much.

Lieutenant America

2/12/20 6:27pm

Ummm...yeah. It does.

BYU_Hoops

2/12/20 7:37pm

How so? Going on a mission doesn’t make someone a great person. Being a great

Lieutenant America

2/12/20 8:44pm

It should. Or why bother going? Remember the whole "raise the bar" talk?

gmj81

2/12/20 7:38pm

Sure. You can argue it should, but that doesn’t mean it does.

Lieutenant America

2/12/20 10:27pm

Some people learn from their experiences,

dratax

2/13/20 7:18am

Yep. And we can't make them learn. Only they can do that with some encouragement

puntersarepeople

2/13/20 10:49am

The heck we can't...

gmj81

2/13/20 11:17am

My uncle tried to beat the jail out of his older kids, and guess where they

SMITTY

2/13/20 11:56am

RE: It should. Or why bother going? Remember the whole "raise the bar" talk?

Lip Gallagher

2/12/20 10:30pm

Maybe so but from what I've observed, the fear of judgment is more real than any

gmj81

2/13/20 11:23am

Sione Takitaki, Harvey Unga, Brandon Davies, etc...

DCCougFan

2/12/20 6:58pm

None of those guys served missions.

dYrtbYkerYder

2/12/20 8:15pm

And? What does that have to do with anything he said

Lip Gallagher

2/12/20 8:42pm

Laman and Lemuel saw angels and were present for incredible spiritual

BYU_Hoops

2/12/20 7:36pm

Not to sure about your points. Lehi was probably near starvation when he complained. He was probably “a little...

Brisco

2/12/20 9:04pm

I have grilled into my daughter, and every young women class I ever taught, that

PhilPete

2/12/20 10:29pm

Some people are extremely naive. I had several of my friends do this within

Bluedarts

2/12/20 11:20pm

A lot of the time kids go on missions for social reasons not spiritual reasons

The Maestro

2/13/20 12:52am

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