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How does a kid serve a mission, and within a year is getting a DUI. Especially
Cosmo4life
2/12/20 2:10pm
I don't get it either.
WhirleyPop
2/12/20 2:11pm
Essentially a two year fast
Q-grr
2/12/20 5:15pm
Or.... not????
Pretorian
2/12/20 8:52pm
Humans are humans. Labels don't change that fact.
foofcoug
2/12/20 2:12pm
Doesn’t the coach talk about putting yourself in compromising positions. Don’t
Cosmo4life
2/12/20 2:14pm
Maybe? Probably? I don't know.
foofcoug
2/12/20 2:17pm
Kids are dumb these days. I thought my generation was bad
Cosmo4life
2/12/20 2:19pm
Not sure what generation you grew up in that didn’t have kids who
The Dude Abides
2/12/20 2:20pm
The first time I drank coffee was as a freshman at BYU. The first time I drank
coastcat
2/12/20 4:11pm
Jazzycougar dupe?
holipuluki
2/12/20 4:46pm
which is why I hate the honor code. Let’s let people repent without ruining
ColonelMustard
2/12/20 8:25pm
Ok Boomer
WeekendWarrior
2/12/20 6:04pm
DUIs are way bigger deal in this century than they were in the previous century.
Lieutenant America
2/12/20 6:30pm
They were bad.
Tsisquan
2/12/20 7:54pm
But spiritual experience should.
Division Bell
2/12/20 2:18pm
I think that assumption is a mistake in assessing situations and a thought process that opens people up to being taken
foofcoug
2/12/20 2:22pm
We'll have to agree to disagree. It sounds like an overused excuse.
Division Bell
2/12/20 2:28pm
You aren’t buying it that chaz is human?
thebruce
2/12/20 4:04pm
There’s nothing “magic wand” about 2 years of dedication to the gospel.
MormonThug
2/12/20 6:49pm
Spiritual Experiences don’t change your life.
BYUAnime
2/12/20 3:50pm
Not to mention not all RMs enjoyed their mission
thebruce
2/12/20 4:05pm
I’ve definitely seen that. Getting excommunicated as a missionary.
BYUAnime
2/12/20 4:16pm
Love this point
D.T. Survivor
2/12/20 4:35pm
Lol didn't Joseph Smith drink at some point? Get over yourself
GigantorCat
2/12/20 7:26pm
Probably even drove the wagon home drunk too... At 75 mph in a 35
gmj81
2/12/20 7:35pm
But how could someone so spiritual ever take a drink?! That's the stupid point
GigantorCat
2/12/20 7:51pm
You do know that Joseph Smith was the one that revealed the WOW, right?
gmj81
2/12/20 8:54pm
Peter denied Christ 3 times. People make mistakes all the time. It’s idiotic to hold certain sins over other people
IceBlueCoug
2/12/20 9:16pm
No I didnt know that, I guess Jesus has gotten really tough on alcohol vs then
GigantorCat
2/12/20 10:08pm
No, but I guarantee Porter Rockwell came close to it
Q-grr
2/12/20 9:33pm
Naïve
Tsisquan
2/12/20 7:55pm
Labels? No. But 2 years of dedicated service should change the fact. It has to
SlantRoute
2/12/20 2:25pm
It has to? Apparently not, as this isn't the only example we have.
foofcoug
2/12/20 2:27pm
it generally does, but obviously not a hard and fast rule
Bob Vance
2/12/20 2:40pm
my experience has told me that the same kid comes back..
EEcougar
2/12/20 2:48pm
I agree. I almost never saw guys who had never partied before their missions
BYUlv
2/12/20 3:50pm
I know some guys in my ward growing up who did a complete 180. They
ChiCityCoug
2/12/20 5:13pm
I bet you those guys are still susceptible to the same temptations though
SMITTY
2/12/20 6:19pm
Yeah, maybe. My response was to the idea that you come back
ChiCityCoug
2/12/20 6:25pm
I had a roommate at BYU who wanted us(those over 21) to buy beer for him.
dratax
2/12/20 7:23pm
A good portion of RMs go inactive. 2 years of dedicated service doesn’t “have to” change anything.
Virginia Ute
2/12/20 2:50pm
Almost certainly does during those two years, it's what happens, or doesn't,
basman
2/12/20 2:56pm
It changed my life.
ChiCityCoug
2/12/20 5:14pm
Change what fact?
Lip Gallagher
2/12/20 4:38pm
I get what you’re saying but I’m not perfect and have made tons of mistakes,
pilot17
2/12/20 3:12pm
Meant for op
pilot17
2/12/20 3:25pm
Tons of people get away with DUIs quite often.
Jericho
2/12/20 2:13pm
I heard somewhere that on average 88 times before getting their first DUI.
Zilog
2/12/20 2:48pm
Which is why the crackdown has got to be extreme. It is far too commonplace
gmj81
2/12/20 3:35pm
Has happened several times now
I'mBatman
2/12/20 2:13pm
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Buffalo
2/12/20 2:14pm
Your second point is part of it. The HC office does not cross-reference the
dYrtbYkerYder
2/12/20 2:25pm
Peer pressure
BigTex
2/12/20 2:14pm
Maybe as a teen but that's a cop out for a guy his age and experience. Not buying it.
Soupie
2/12/20 2:26pm
Peer pressure exists at every age. To think it doesn't is ludicrous.
IceBlueCoug
2/12/20 2:38pm
Sure but you should learn to deal with it at some point.
Soupie
2/12/20 2:40pm
I agree, but, seeing that he had THC in the car as well tells me he was trying to escape something.
IceBlueCoug
2/12/20 2:44pm
I'll support him AFTER he's come to terms with the consequences. We can get so caught up in giving out 2nd
Soupie
2/12/20 2:51pm
THC, weed? I am sorry telling someone to stand up to and understand peer
coug almighty
2/12/20 2:53pm
Tell that to all the Instagram moms in Utah
cougarsnooty
2/12/20 4:38pm
Not on IG but okay.
Soupie
2/12/20 5:03pm
It's crazy, at least one a year for the last 4 years. And I am sure there are
coug almighty
2/12/20 2:15pm
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Buffalo
2/12/20 2:17pm
Yeah the Provo social scene is a little wierd, but mostly because every one is
coug almighty
2/12/20 2:23pm
Or go to BYU and don't drink and drive. BYU players have been drinking since the
dYrtbYkerYder
2/12/20 2:26pm
Doesn't matter where you go don't drink and drive
ABCoug
2/12/20 7:31pm
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East1999
2/12/20 2:18pm
What kind of kids are in the program that are stealing from other players?
coug almighty
2/12/20 2:25pm
You'd be surprised. There was and always has been rule breaking under previous
SMITTY
2/12/20 3:54pm
Don’t blame this on Kalani
LyleLanley
2/12/20 2:36pm
Why not? Should we blame Holmoe? Worthen?
coug almighty
2/12/20 2:48pm
Why would you blame any of those people? Chaz is an adult, It was his choice
LyleLanley
2/12/20 3:07pm
Because BYU athletics has a culture of "don't get caught"
stoils
2/12/20 3:48pm
These kids are RMs that fit perfectly the type of kid BYU wants
donnerstag
2/12/20 3:33pm
Right. You’re agreeing with me.
LyleLanley
2/12/20 3:39pm
Ula: Hold my frisbee.
byubyu
2/12/20 2:16pm
I don’t think they are necessarily “bad kids”.
The Dude Abides
2/12/20 2:19pm
Yeah, just don't drive. That is stupid. If BYU fans don't think there is a group
dYrtbYkerYder
2/12/20 2:28pm
Yep. Don’t drive.
The Dude Abides
2/12/20 2:33pm
Just because there is, doesn't mean it is okay that there is.
ChiCityCoug
2/12/20 5:15pm
It's not the sex and alcohol I care about. It's the DUI. Infinitely worse than
Backcountry
2/12/20 2:38pm
Not sure how or why the FB team specifically gets caught up in certain circles,
Preppy
2/12/20 2:19pm
It's in part a numbers game. You've got 85 scholarship athletes
BIG XII Coug
2/12/20 2:27pm
I think they are too cool to do the 'standard' Provo scene. I honestly wonder
coug almighty
2/12/20 2:29pm
no one is checking police reports for Ben Christensen Accounting Major
BlueFrog
2/12/20 2:38pm
Didn’t he just brag about everything he was going to do this year on Twitter.
Cosmo4life
2/12/20 2:19pm
I am in no way excusing what he did, but it happens a LOT more than you think.
Cougar TD
2/12/20 2:24pm
Again, not talking about Chaz specifically here. But, just because a kid is a
Cougar TD
2/12/20 2:25pm
You're right but this feels too much like excusing and I can't see that as appropriate or helpful.
Soupie
2/12/20 2:29pm
How is it an excuse? I am replying to the original question of how can a RM
Cougar TD
2/12/20 2:50pm
"happens more than you think" has an "everyone's doing it" ring. My mom quit letting me use that excuse in kindergarten.
Soupie
2/12/20 3:00pm
Again, not giving an excuse... Talking about the fact that more kids drink than
Cougar TD
2/12/20 3:29pm
But you are. Saying it multiple times doesn't change the message.
Soupie
2/12/20 3:30pm
LOL, sure. Continue to be naive and think that stating that more people do
Cougar TD
2/12/20 3:38pm
Never said that. Go ahead and keep thinking I'm naive too.
Soupie
2/12/20 8:19pm
I am, because you are.
Cougar TD
2/12/20 8:39pm
RE: I am, because you are.
Soupie
2/12/20 8:45pm
RE: I am, because you are.
Cougar TD
2/12/20 8:50pm
😂 he’s just saying there are lots of RMs that drink so why be surprised
puntersarepeople
2/12/20 6:41pm
Happening & being okay w/ it are also 2 different things.
Soupie
2/12/20 7:39pm
Never said that I was ok with it.
Cougar TD
2/12/20 8:40pm
No it doesn’t.
puntersarepeople
2/12/20 9:22pm
A lot of people think so though.
Lip Gallagher
2/12/20 3:14pm
You don't think you're more accountable after a mission?
gmj81
2/12/20 3:46pm
Not your place to judge... People are at different levels or places in their
Cougar TD
2/12/20 3:58pm
Who says I am? I've made statements in this thread about two things
gmj81
2/12/20 4:07pm
I think your absolutely right. Finally someone gets caught. Going 75 mph in a 30
Cosmo4life
2/12/20 2:27pm
Yep, the HC changes will make it seem like this is happening less
stansburycoug
2/12/20 2:33pm
Harvey Langi was getting busted with weed and alcohol less than a year home too
SlantRoute
2/12/20 2:25pm
My favorite part of this is how you equate partying to being a bad kid.
reagan21
2/12/20 2:31pm
Driving drunk going 75mph in a 30mph makes for a dumb kid.
Cosmo4life
2/12/20 3:28pm
Lucky it didn't make for a dead kid.
Soupie
2/12/20 3:31pm
When did I mention DUI. The OP said that kids who party are bad kids.
reagan21
2/13/20 10:59am
"I gave 2 years, now I'm gonna take 2 years" is a very common theme with RMs.
Backcountry
2/12/20 2:34pm
Weird. I never once heard that. Ever.
Iman23
2/12/20 2:49pm
Apparently you didn't go to Dixie, SLCC, and Weber ha
Backcountry
2/12/20 2:52pm
I’ve never heard that
Pretorian
2/13/20 4:06am
Heres the thing about missions. They don't tell you a thing about a persons
Backcountry
2/12/20 2:37pm
Pretty much. I have no expectations about missions and their effect on behaviour
The Chelsea Dagger
2/12/20 2:43pm
Agreed
puntersarepeople
2/12/20 3:00pm
Yeah, a lot of them hang out on CB
stoils
2/12/20 3:25pm
It's more than just the WoW and partying.
HONOMO
2/12/20 2:41pm
Same reason we all make mistakes. No one is perfect and in moments of weakness,
westsidecoug
2/12/20 2:41pm
Many of us have served missions. I agree it’s stupid for the fact of the lives
Tuskaloosa Cougar
2/12/20 3:07pm
You would be very, very surprised.
_Dakoko
2/12/20 3:10pm
A mission doesn't guarantee that someone has (or gains) self-control.
dut99002
2/12/20 3:15pm
"Bad kids that party." Well that's a start. Pretty bad generalization there
Lip Gallagher
2/12/20 3:15pm
No one in my mission was a saint. We still had missionaries that had problems.
LyleLanley
2/12/20 3:17pm
Missions aren't magic. People are people. Sometimes people do dumb things.
Roko's Basilisk
2/12/20 3:20pm
Didn’t he come home early? I think he only missed one football season.
golfer7474
2/12/20 3:22pm
Correct
LyleLanley
2/12/20 3:25pm
Is he even 21 years old or isn’t old enough to drink yet
Cosmo4life
2/12/20 3:30pm
Born in 98
Zilog
2/12/20 4:06pm
Same way a guy gets called to be a bishop, then engages in pedophilia. Same way a guy gets called as a MTC president
AD4
2/12/20 3:28pm
Apparently he vapes too. Kids these day. Wants to be in the NFL but has a vape
Cosmo4life
2/12/20 3:32pm
Always disappointing and sad to watch a brother
Vegasjohn
2/12/20 3:43pm
You live in a fantasy world if you dont think kids at BYU drink, smoke, have sex
Cougz19
2/12/20 3:41pm
It's like a mission either makes you or breaks you.
Archaeovagrant
2/12/20 3:57pm
Considering many missionaries are pretty “bunk” this doesn’t surprise me.
Adwight
2/12/20 4:08pm
"Bunk"?......you mean lazy, irresponsible slugs? I had several of those. Ugh.
BleedCougarBlue2
2/12/20 4:35pm
Yep. That was our term for it in my mission. 80/20 totally applied there.
Adwight
2/12/20 4:58pm
A lot of kids have a faith transition at BYU as well
Lakerone
2/12/20 4:23pm
I did for sure. My five o’clock shadow took me out of the circle of honor.
D.T. Survivor
2/12/20 4:39pm
90% seems a tad high based on my personal experience
UMWolverine
2/12/20 5:39pm
Based on me, my roommates, and friends, maybe 10-15%
dratax
2/12/20 8:37pm
Pretty easy I think. After the high of the mission, I think it's natural that most kids come home and go through a low
RUNBYU1
2/12/20 4:44pm
Dumb post. Delete please.
andrewg3
2/12/20 4:51pm
I don’t understand it, but I’ve also never had the desire to drink or do drugs.
Nuke
2/12/20 4:51pm
I used to have a similar mindset
geddylee
2/12/20 5:36pm
A mission doesn’t really mean much.
Lieutenant America
2/12/20 6:27pm
Ummm...yeah. It does.
BYU_Hoops
2/12/20 7:37pm
How so? Going on a mission doesn’t make someone a great person. Being a great
Lieutenant America
2/12/20 8:44pm
It should. Or why bother going? Remember the whole "raise the bar" talk?
gmj81
2/12/20 7:38pm
Sure. You can argue it should, but that doesn’t mean it does.
Lieutenant America
2/12/20 10:27pm
Some people learn from their experiences,
dratax
2/13/20 7:18am
Yep. And we can't make them learn. Only they can do that with some encouragement
puntersarepeople
2/13/20 10:49am
The heck we can't...
gmj81
2/13/20 11:17am
My uncle tried to beat the jail out of his older kids, and guess where they
SMITTY
2/13/20 11:56am
RE: It should. Or why bother going? Remember the whole "raise the bar" talk?
Lip Gallagher
2/12/20 10:30pm
Maybe so but from what I've observed, the fear of judgment is more real than any
gmj81
2/13/20 11:23am
Sione Takitaki, Harvey Unga, Brandon Davies, etc...
DCCougFan
2/12/20 6:58pm
None of those guys served missions.
dYrtbYkerYder
2/12/20 8:15pm
And? What does that have to do with anything he said
Lip Gallagher
2/12/20 8:42pm
Laman and Lemuel saw angels and were present for incredible spiritual
BYU_Hoops
2/12/20 7:36pm
Not to sure about your points. Lehi was probably near starvation when he complained. He was probably “a little...
Brisco
2/12/20 9:04pm
I have grilled into my daughter, and every young women class I ever taught, that
PhilPete
2/12/20 10:29pm
Some people are extremely naive. I had several of my friends do this within
Bluedarts
2/12/20 11:20pm
A lot of the time kids go on missions for social reasons not spiritual reasons
The Maestro
2/13/20 12:52am
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