Because it creates a distinction between members; PAC will die on its own and

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Jan 28, 2023
3:53:41pm

RWaters All-American

they may end up needing the BIG 12 on that conference’s terms

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Seems like Wilner's latest mailbag has been the most pesemistic so far

CougarCanuck76

1/28/23 2:10pm

I'm so glad to finally be in the B12. Finally on the inside looking out.

Tesla Coug

1/28/23 2:20pm

I get that, but I'm still greedy

CougarCanuck76

1/28/23 4:23pm

RE: Seems like Wilner's latest mailbag has been the most pesemistic so far

Cougarclaw

1/28/23 2:27pm

Four corner schools is a media creation. Extra travel wouldn’t cost anymore

travelcoug

1/28/23 2:39pm

Big12 should invite Oregon and Washington without making them sign a GOR

ldssdl

1/28/23 2:57pm

I think this sends the wrong message

RWaters

1/28/23 3:38pm

Why? Brings more money for the Big12 and UW/UO for however long they stay.

ldssdl

1/28/23 3:44pm

Because it creates a distinction between members; PAC will die on its own and

RWaters

1/28/23 3:53pm

Would the other Big12 members would be loyal to the conference over a B10

ldssdl

1/28/23 3:57pm

They wouldn't bring in any more money. Contract would increase only enough to cover them at current rate.

ManicBlue

1/28/23 4:24pm

It's been reported there's escalator clauses in the new TV deal...

tacallaway

1/28/23 5:10pm

Sure the escalator clause will raise the overall contract to cover any additional P5 teams added at current rate, but

ManicBlue

1/28/23 5:25pm

B12 could absolutely get UO and UW if the B10 doesn't come calling.

tacallaway

1/28/23 7:14pm

I'll believe that when I see it.

ManicBlue

1/28/23 11:44pm

CU....

moabmax

1/30/23 9:30am

CU has probably slightly increased in value since Deion, but...

tacallaway

1/30/23 9:41am

Is this wrong message different from the ones from the SEC and B1G?

akbarishiwatsu

1/28/23 3:48pm

I don’t care if the Big12 leads to the demise of the PAC - just don’t want

RWaters

1/28/23 3:57pm

Where did I say anything about preferential treatment?

ldssdl

1/28/23 3:59pm

Agreed. Take the money they bring the conference for however long

BYUHgrad

1/28/23 3:59pm

What? And create immediate and continual uncertainty? Nope.

Refugee

1/28/23 4:51pm

Ad and marketing dollars are plentiful

carmelcougar

1/28/23 3:32pm

It's more than a few million less per year per school.

slatecoug

1/28/23 4:07pm

Wilner still overestimating the value of the Pac. No one else is saying the difference between the Pac and the Big 12 is

Brisket

1/28/23 8:27pm

There’s zero chance they don’t get more than the current $25 million per team.

jimmything

1/30/23 11:36am

Zero chance? After losing the SoCal market and not able to get Oregon/Washington to sign a GOR? hmm ... ute math?

ManicBlue

1/30/23 11:55am

There's been multiple reports that could have the PAC in the ~$25m range.

tacallaway

1/30/23 12:25pm

All I want is for UU to get shafted!

Snipe

1/28/23 4:27pm

Ironically, Utah is probably the safest of any P10 team right now

TFL

1/28/23 4:34pm

Nope

travelcoug

1/28/23 4:36pm

RE: Ironically, Utah is probably the safest of any P10 team right now

panacablue

1/28/23 4:47pm

I'd take Arizona first for market and Bball program. Then it'd be a tossup with

ManicBlue

1/28/23 5:07pm

If they only take 2 of the 4 corners, they'll add Phoenix and Denver markets.

tacallaway

1/28/23 5:12pm

Because UW and O would never go to the Big 12.

TFL

1/28/23 7:47pm

So you're saying UO and UW are going to the B10 100%?

tacallaway

1/28/23 8:04pm

Nah…

TFL

1/28/23 9:52pm

You seriously think UO and UW, if B10 is impossible, will choose to just die?

tacallaway

1/28/23 10:20pm

That’s what he saying and that’s the choice Utah appears to be making

travelcoug

1/28/23 10:27pm

Not at all. None of these programs are going away. That's silly to jump to that conclusion. By safe I mean

TFL

1/29/23 11:39am

College football is not a meritocracy, winning alone doesn't make you P5.

tacallaway

1/29/23 11:53am

CFB is a meritocracy. It's exactly why all 3 BCS busters in the last era jumped to better conferences.

TFL

1/29/23 12:14pm

Colorado and West Virginia were BCS busters?

Acorn

1/29/23 12:40pm

Also, what about Boise? More success as a G5 than UU, no invite.

tacallaway

1/29/23 2:01pm

Boise got upgraded to the MWC. Utah, TCU and Boise all jumped up a level. How do you not see that?

TFL

1/29/23 3:29pm

So despite Boise having more success than UU as a G5...

tacallaway

1/29/23 4:34pm

TFL seems to forget that the MWC of 2023 looks much more like the Big West or

TrueBlue67

1/30/23 4:53am

That's a dumb point. BSU only succeeded in the lowly WAC. That's not better performance.

TFL

1/30/23 2:22pm

Boise absolutely performed better than UU. More NY6 games, way better win %.

tacallaway

1/30/23 2:27pm

...but not in the MWC. Where it matters. Few guys skip AAA and go straight to the MLB from AA. Same concept.

TFL

1/30/23 2:32pm

Boise did most of their dominating in the WAC. MWC and WAC were both "AA".

tacallaway

1/30/23 2:36pm

Nah...Boise jumped to the MW quickly because it's significantly superior. Same with Reno, FSU, Utah State.

TFL

1/30/23 4:32pm

Huh? Clearly NY6 bowls haven't gotten Boise to the next level

tacallaway

1/30/23 5:49pm

I think you meant to write ... utah fans are incredibly naive when it comes to utah.

ManicBlue

1/29/23 2:12pm

I think you make my point for me.

TFL

1/29/23 3:38pm

Hahahaha keep dreaming

ManicBlue

1/29/23 4:31pm

Maybe. But BYU fans have been prophesying the fall of Utah FB for 20 years now.

TFL

1/30/23 2:05pm

Hahaha…nope!

BYUHgrad

1/28/23 5:29pm

On the field results are less relevant than location

CougarCanuck76

1/28/23 5:34pm

utah absolutely should hold out for a B1G invite or maybe the SEC will come calling.

ManicBlue

1/28/23 11:47pm

TV ratings like the lowest watched Rose Bowl ever? U have delusions of grandeur.

RossoNeri

1/29/23 5:57am

Utah falls out of the top 25 pretty quickly once they start playing a non-Pac12 P5 schedule.

zsmooth

1/30/23 6:39am

Cougarboard when

CrimsonCardinal

1/28/23 6:56pm

BYU already won the PAC12 before Utah did.

RGGeemer

1/28/23 7:36pm

RE: BYU already won the PAC12 before Utah did.

gmoney7

1/30/23 12:34am

You posting about UU being in the B12 as if it’s already happened says a lot

Refugee

1/30/23 7:21am

I predict Arizona goes to the Big 12 with Gonzaga and the PAC adds SDSU and stays at 10.

runningryan

1/28/23 5:02pm

So dumb. Sorry that's dumb. Just one super poor guy's opinion

TNT

1/28/23 6:08pm

I think Zona jumps but dummy Crow holds ASU back

runningryan

1/28/23 8:15pm

PAC needs to get to 12 members and have a championship game for relevancy and $$

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