JDoc cares deeply what we think

Link?

kansascougar

12/9/18 9:11pm

#sources

RdF3

12/9/18 9:11pm

Utah sources? Well of course they’re going to think that.

TempeCoug

12/9/18 9:13pm

Yes, it's coming from the Utah side. I didn't say anything about him actually

RdF3

12/9/18 9:14pm

Who's going to pass him the ball? At least BYU has a qb that can fling it

Hypnotoad

12/9/18 9:14pm

Well, Utah has 3 wide receivers that have more receiving yards

Jdoc

12/9/18 9:18pm

let's see what wilson does in a full year of starting

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 9:52pm

Lol! He had 8 touchdown passes in 6 games. Let’s

Jdoc

12/9/18 9:58pm

Oh brother

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:00pm

Nice response. Very compelling counterpoint. Best

Jdoc

12/9/18 10:02pm

Thanks. I felt like it was the best response in our exchange so far

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:03pm

Some great teams he put that 140 up on. Good grief. Take

Jdoc

12/9/18 10:07pm

actually yes

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:08pm

He played well against Utah in the first half. Didn’t do anything

Jdoc

12/9/18 10:10pm

He had a 140 qb rating against the Utes

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:11pm

Yes, they are. 8 touchdown passes in 6 games, including

Jdoc

12/9/18 10:12pm

he's definitely the superior qb

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:12pm

Another great response.

Jdoc

12/9/18 10:13pm

thanks!

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:14pm

cougarmanguy, you have to understand that ANY player on a team that loses is

hyperbully

12/10/18 5:32pm

😂😂😂😂😂

puntersarepeople

12/10/18 6:00pm

Not my finest post. Sorry about that. It was pretty stupid of me.

Jdoc

12/10/18 6:23pm

oh I don't think I'd necessarily say that at all

hyperbully

12/10/18 7:54pm

I will try to do better.

Jdoc

12/10/18 8:03pm

Thanks Dryfly!

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:16pm

Show’s how clueless you are. Utah’s starter was

Jdoc

12/9/18 10:17pm

The Utes' QB won the game

DryFlyUte

12/9/18 10:29pm

Sure you guys won. Shelley played like garbage most of the game. Your team was better, shelley is worse

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:30pm

Some on CB don’t believe in wins as the ultimate stat. They are all

Jdoc

12/9/18 10:32pm

RE: Some on CB don’t believe in wins as the ultimate stat. They are all

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:33pm

You are aware that Shelley is Utah’s backup, right? He won’t

Jdoc

12/9/18 10:36pm

of course. Huntley similarly didn't have any quality games against top defenses this year

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:38pm

Wasn’t he comparing quarterbacks to quarterbacks? That seems like saber metrics would be important

JohnnyComeLately

12/10/18 7:20am

According to Ute metrics, Terry Bradshaw is far superior to Peyton Manning

Colorado

12/10/18 9:53am

And others on CB are not even fans that come here to argue about BYU.

Blue for Life

12/10/18 8:48am

You are forgetting the most important statistic is having PAC 12 Officials

slatecoug

12/10/18 3:06pm

There weren't Pac 12 officials in the rivalry game, if I am not mistaken

DryFlyUte

12/10/18 3:15pm

Hence, Wilson with a 140 rating and Shelley with a 111

cougarmanguy

12/10/18 3:18pm

If you value a stat over the final score then great

DryFlyUte

12/10/18 3:36pm

I don’t and didn’t. The argument here was who was the better qb.

cougarmanguy

12/10/18 3:51pm

That was a big one, but there were multiple plays that were just as big where the officials helped Utah.

slatecoug

12/11/18 12:08am

Nonsense

DryFlyUte

12/11/18 3:58am

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slatecoug

12/11/18 12:06am

Flip that around. If Wilson is on Utah you love him. The entire Utah fanbase

unctoothman

12/10/18 10:45am

I really like Wilson. He looks like he is going to be a good one. I just think

Jdoc

12/10/18 10:58am

Huntley is certainly a good QB...if he's mobile. But go back to the discussion

unctoothman

12/10/18 11:07am

Good points. I think either place is a good option for him. I wouldn’t

Jdoc

12/10/18 12:58pm

I think you're undervaluing Huntley a bit here. He can definitely make all the

BigBrotherUte

12/10/18 3:41pm

I’d take BYUs schedule talentwise over Utah

puntersarepeople

12/10/18 3:58pm

First, he’s a true freshman and has only six starts under his belt.

D.T. Survivor

12/10/18 4:42pm

Sorry but playing at Utah does not give him a better shot at the NFL.

Blue for Life

12/10/18 8:01pm

Utah hasn’t had more recent success with WRs in the NFL

puntersarepeople

12/10/18 8:16pm

Are you one of those geniuses who thinks w/l is a good way to measure a QB's

BeefNoodleSoup

12/11/18 12:28am

Jackson Shelley has 3 TD passes in 8 games. Along with 4 INTs.

crazY

12/9/18 10:57pm

But I am not arguing that Shelley is the superior qb. I am

Jdoc

12/9/18 11:28pm

Huntley has 12 TD passes in 9 games. Still a bad argument.

crazY

12/9/18 11:46pm

Huntley had 15 TD's through thirteen games last year.

Cougzilla

12/10/18 9:09am

Lol, Shelley has 4 legit starts. The rest of the games were garbage time where

BigBrotherUte

12/9/18 11:31pm

Right, but we are arguing TD passes. Unless you guys want to move the goal posts

crazY

12/9/18 11:45pm

I just care if the ball gets in the end zone in games that matter.

BigBrotherUte

12/10/18 12:43am

Ok.

crazY

12/10/18 7:13am

Lol. Has much more to do with who is around Shelley than the QB himself

SUAVO

12/9/18 11:46pm

Jason started 4 games.. the other four he played garbage time in blows outs.

lilpenny

12/10/18 8:55am

Well, more than he ended the year with

cougarmanguy

12/10/18 8:59am

Awesome. 3 TD passes through 4 starts. That's something to write home about.

crazY

12/10/18 9:14am

You're looking at it the wrong way. What's more important is how well a QB can

BigBrotherUte

12/10/18 10:58am

So you're moving the goal posts again?

crazY

12/10/18 12:54pm

If you are Ute then you must be joking. Either you think your defense is really

Tuskaloosa Cougar

12/10/18 10:03pm

Huntley hasn't beaten anyone. His special teams and defense has.

DJROSS

12/10/18 1:29pm

when your team is good enough to give your QB short fields, and when your

DJROSS

12/10/18 2:27pm

...which means he's got a great shot to make a huge impact at BYU

SingleStrapBackpack

12/9/18 10:25pm

No way he'd play receiver at Utah. He'd be the next Chase Hansen or Nate Orchard

dYrtbYkerYder

12/10/18 11:42am

Not what I am hearing.

crazY

12/9/18 9:12pm

Stop listening to Kyle Gunther

SUAVO

12/9/18 9:14pm

Yeah, that dude drinks his own bath water.

kansascougar

12/9/18 9:26pm

I highly doubt that. Let’s see, do you want to come and have Wilson sling it to you or would you rather have ???

Pimpin4Paradise

12/9/18 9:14pm

I agree completely. He'd be crazy to.

RdF3

12/9/18 9:16pm

BYU’s leading wide receiver this year is Shumway with 319

Jdoc

12/9/18 9:21pm

spoken of in the pre full year Wilson era

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 9:51pm

Just stating the facts. Also, Huntley put up some pretty good numbers before

Jdoc

12/9/18 9:53pm

Huntley and Wilson had exactly the same qb rating

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 9:59pm

Now compare their competition... Wilson did it against some of the worst

BigBrotherUte

12/9/18 10:17pm

Don’t bother Big Brother Ute. Cougarmanguy

Jdoc

12/9/18 10:19pm

that and facts

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:22pm

that's actually not even close to accurate

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:21pm

Hate to break it to you but none of Huntley’s wins were impressive

puntersarepeople

12/9/18 10:22pm

that's true. No wins against a top 50 defense

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:23pm

And who has Wilson beat? Oh, yes, Hawaii, New Mexico State and UMASS.

Jdoc

12/9/18 10:25pm

Wins over talented teams like USC, Stanford, and UCLA will always be impressive.

BigBrotherUte

12/9/18 10:35pm

ucla had the 105th ranked defense

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:41pm

No question that none of them were great. Stanford was 41st in scoring D, but

BigBrotherUte

12/9/18 10:53pm

I’m sorry I can’t give credit for the name when the results aren’t good

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:55pm

your basketball team sucks.

BountifulCoug5

12/9/18 10:22pm

This is true. We suck in basketball and you guys own us there. And it

Jdoc

12/9/18 10:26pm

Comparing their competition using ESPN's TQBR and you have

DJROSS

12/10/18 2:42pm

You're saying thay Huntley has a better QBR but isn't as good because he's a

BigBrotherUte

12/10/18 3:48pm

His best performance might have been against Utah

Tuskaloosa Cougar

12/11/18 12:33am

BYU's & Utah's passing numbers over the last 3 season have been very similar...

CoachSpeak

12/10/18 9:24am

I agree that neither team has a very good passing attack.

Jdoc

12/10/18 9:39am

I wouldn't go that far. After week 4 when Utah changed up the play calling,

BigBrotherUte

12/10/18 10:40am

I mean Tyler Huntley is a legit Pac-12 QB with some great wins over quality

BigBrotherUte

12/9/18 10:14pm

Wilson is vastly a better QB than Shelley. It isn't close.

RdF3

12/9/18 10:20pm

It's more debatable than you think. Prior to the P12 Championship, Shelley

BigBrotherUte

12/9/18 10:28pm

Do you think Shelley has more talent around him than Wilson?

RdF3

12/9/18 10:31pm

Of course, but he's also playing against better talent.

BigBrotherUte

12/9/18 10:38pm

HA. Have fun in the rose bowl buddy!

BountifulCoug5

12/9/18 10:22pm

The Holiday Bowl ain’t bad. Question. When was the last time BYU

Jdoc

12/9/18 10:29pm

We made that bowl you get to play in this year.

pegushin

12/9/18 10:58pm

How long has it been since BYU played in the Holiday Bowl? Many

Jdoc

12/9/18 11:03pm

That bowl like your programs existence likely is moot without us.

pegushin

12/10/18 2:33pm

Keep trusting the Utes

puntersarepeople

12/9/18 10:22pm

Huntley doesn't have any wins over a quality defense

cougarmanguy

12/9/18 10:29pm

50% chance?

RexIdaCoug

12/10/18 10:45am

Does he want to play in a Pac 12 conference or against NMSU?

lilpenny

12/10/18 8:56am

There’s more than one Pac-12 conference?

kansascougar

12/10/18 8:58am

Does he want to play storied programs at home on natl. TV or buried on the PAC ntwk where no ne sees it?

soupie

12/10/18 9:00am

Would Wilson play rather play FOR a storied program

puntersarepeople

12/10/18 1:52pm

Did he have any offers from one? Love Wilson but if you're talking BSU, it seems he made his choice.

soupie

12/10/18 1:54pm

I haven’t heard anything like that.

All-American

12/9/18 9:17pm

He starred in a movie with Samuel L Jackson

PessimisticCB

12/9/18 9:19pm

Who hasn't?

yahtzee

12/9/18 9:21pm

Kevin Bacon, amazingly.

All-American

12/9/18 9:29pm

Mmm. Bacon.

Zaphod

12/9/18 9:33pm

Mmm Kevin.

PessimisticCB

12/9/18 9:35pm

My son will be crushed. We were watching the LP/AF game and he thinks BYU

maxpowers

12/9/18 9:31pm

Seems unlikely he would. I was just saying Utah's camp thinks he might.

RdF3

12/9/18 9:32pm

Someone send him video of Utah fans chanting

BYU4eVeR

12/9/18 9:32pm

It would be hard to send since it doesn't exist

pastyute

12/9/18 10:03pm

Utah thinks all they have to do is say PAC-12 a million times

Seasider

12/9/18 9:33pm

Hopefully the PAC 12 continues to do poorly

puntersarepeople

12/9/18 9:37pm

It worked with Covey, Hansen, Nacua and others.

Jdoc

12/9/18 9:38pm

Nacua was never going to BYU

TPcoug

12/9/18 10:33pm

You should be worried about the ones it doesn’t work with. When utah

kansascougar

12/10/18 6:30am

Some kids just want to go out of state. But it goes both ways. Utah steals more

BigBrotherUte

12/10/18 7:34am

It doesn’t work that way...if they go out of state

truecougster

12/10/18 10:45am

I don't know about others. But PAC12 isn't what why Covey went to Utah.

Lance71

12/10/18 7:28pm

I don't know anything about anything, but they thought they'd get Romney.

Cougarclaw

12/9/18 9:41pm

Who cares what Utah thinks?

donnerstag

12/9/18 9:44pm

JDoc cares deeply what we think

Carnac

12/10/18 8:47am

Don’t think so. What I’ve heard is Chase is committed

puntersarepeople

12/9/18 10:08pm

That would be a mistake in cusp of BYU do inating

Coug Dude

12/9/18 10:21pm

Don't worry, Sitake is a great recruiter

acougfan

12/9/18 10:37pm

This is another reason why this bowl game matters...like a lot.

zac-attack66

12/9/18 10:50pm

All I have to say to CB is quit stressing about it....

CoachSpeak

12/10/18 9:09am

This guy would know. By the way, your son is a baller

kansascougar

12/10/18 9:10am

Who is his son?

D.T. Survivor

12/10/18 11:05am

Boone Abbott (Chase's QB at AF)

SingleStrapBackpack

12/10/18 7:42pm

And that settles it for me. Thanks!

RexIdaCoug

12/10/18 9:20am

RE: All I have to say to CB is quit stressing about it....

CrashMcLarson

12/10/18 9:25am

CoachSpeak would know this. Question for you. If Utah

Jdoc

12/10/18 9:41am

Yes, of course....

CoachSpeak

12/10/18 9:53am

An offer from Hawaii would be tough to turn down for a walk on spot. I think he

Jdoc

12/10/18 10:00am

Not a deal breaker...

CoachSpeak

12/10/18 10:56am

He has a really good arm. Hope he can find a place to play QB. If not

kansascougar

12/10/18 11:06am

All his offers are as a QB....

CoachSpeak

12/10/18 11:09am

Does he have MLB draft potential or is it too early to say?

Jdoc

12/10/18 11:17am

He has potential for it....

CoachSpeak

12/10/18 11:43am

He definitely has the size, speed and skill to flourish at qb at the D1 level.

Jdoc

12/10/18 11:08am

It's nice to see the puke try hards are out in full force today. Get a life...

Bluedarts

12/10/18 9:54am

Receiving stats:

displacedute

12/10/18 4:32pm

The thing is that we know what Utah is...

CoachSpeak

12/10/18 4:39pm

Perhaps.

displacedute

12/10/18 4:54pm

I actually have a little bit of inside insight on that if you’d like...

CoachSpeak

12/10/18 5:03pm

Smoke and mirrors. How much of that was Tanner Mangum? And do you really think

DJROSS

12/10/18 5:21pm

Okay. Here's Wilson to receivers per game v. Huntley.

displacedute

12/10/18 6:12pm

Now you need to look at the trend. You are relating things to the mean. Big

DJROSS

12/10/18 6:44pm

Lol you'd never think your team has won 8 in a row. It's too easy. #rentfree

Bluedarts

12/10/18 8:56pm

RE: Apparently Utah thinks they're close to flipping Chase Roberts

yahtzee

12/10/18 10:59pm

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