how would BYU enforce an Honor Code at a med school..

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Oct 12, 2015
7:06:52pm

joebravo

how would BYU enforce an Honor Code at a med school..

Sometimes doctors have to stay out late for late shifts, past 11:00PM. Also with long shifts with doctors staying at the hospital til late, they may not have time to shave regularly, and would further cause conflicts with the honor code.. For these reasons, I don't see it happening..

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joebravo

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Talked to a faculty member re: Provo high school (among other things)

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 6:45pm

Cecil Samuelson said BYU would never have a med school - too many Federal rules.

Monomachos

10/12/15 6:49pm

He would definitely know more about that than most.

bretonnia

10/12/15 6:54pm

This is true. I'm pre-med at BYU and many of us have been heavily recruited by

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 6:58pm

Lol. College students have former colleagues. You're killing me.

Wingnut

10/12/15 7:01pm

Classmate. I think he meant classmate.

10/12/15 7:03pm

I worked with her. Is that not a colleague?

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 7:05pm

I think most people don't refer to others as colleagues until after they start

KingDave

10/12/15 8:02pm

Gotcha. Yeah I think it might be specific to established careers for some people

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 9:05pm

He obviously knows more than I do about it

KingDave

10/12/15 6:55pm

Astronomical start up costs not necessarily a barrier

blucoug18

10/12/15 6:59pm

Partnering with IHC would help. They are extremely economically sound.

Slim

10/12/15 7:10pm

It would be interesting to see how Intermountain would respond if the BYU wanted

bretonnia

10/12/15 7:22pm

All depends on whether there is money to be made.

10/12/15 7:24pm

I can tell you one thing. Intermountain does NOT want to be affiliated with a DO

Slim

10/12/15 7:26pm

Do hospitals ever take students from multiple schools?

KingDave

10/12/15 8:07pm

All the time

Slim

10/12/15 8:13pm

Do teaching hospitals see med students as a burden but also free labor?

KingDave

10/12/15 8:16pm

Med students provide no useful services in a hospital

10/12/15 8:23pm

Deleted my verbatim hack of Slim.

10/13/15 3:29am

Med students cause more work for everyone. Residents are the cheap labor.

Slim

10/12/15 8:31pm

I believe so, but it's rare. IIRC, some of the bigger Boston hospitals take

bretonnia

10/12/15 8:15pm

For the uninitiated among us, "DO" is Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine?

10/13/15 8:55am

Correct

bretonnia

10/13/15 12:14pm

He addressed this - said it might not be as big a problem as some GAs might have

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 6:57pm

Do you have a link? I would like to read his comments

concolor couguar

10/12/15 7:05pm

It was at a meeting with a Q&E. Someone asked him if BYU would be getting

Monomachos

10/12/15 7:17pm

What are you talking about? What federal regulations would possibly impede BYU

10/12/15 7:47pm

I think they're worried about ties to federal funding, of which US Med schools

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 9:08pm

BYU already received millions in federal funding

concolor couguar

10/12/15 10:08pm

Very possible. Maybe that's why he said he doesn't think it'd be an issue

Harrison0Yfan

10/13/15 8:12am

I'm just the messenger; that is what he said but he really did not explain it

Monomachos

10/12/15 11:02pm

I think he cited cost, I don't remember hearing anything about federal rules

10/12/15 7:46pm

i believe the church might have 'some' interest in Provo High,

joebravo

10/12/15 6:59pm

There is absolutely nothing holding BYU back from having a med school...

10/12/15 7:01pm

Exactly, this is the bottom line. He said he could see it reaching a point when

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 7:03pm

I don't even buy that either.

10/12/15 7:12pm

That's just what he told me.

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 7:13pm

Tell him to stop lying to you.

10/12/15 7:19pm

Same. So many international students apply for the Match

WorfoSAUR

10/12/15 7:51pm

What if it's connected to the Perpetual Education Fund?

KingDave

10/12/15 8:10pm

That's a very interesting idea.

bretonnia

10/12/15 9:54pm

Sorry, he wasn't meaning international students themselves

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 9:09pm

how would BYU enforce an Honor Code at a med school..

joebravo

10/12/15 7:06pm

Does BYU enforce it with their grad programs?

10/12/15 7:10pm

In my program, not really.

Snipe

10/12/15 7:41pm

Stay out late? Lol.. there isn't a curfew. This isn't BYU-Idaho

Dissenter

10/13/15 7:47am

With another heart surgeon in the QoT maybe things start shifting...

BYUFam1

10/12/15 7:10pm

Elder Renlund is actually a cardiologist. Great talk in GC

WorfoSAUR

10/12/15 7:40pm

He was a resident at Hopkins right?

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 7:41pm

It's interesting to me to see the possible shift in the winds, seems it was only

BYUFBDAD

10/12/15 7:28pm

Yep, much of that is a pride issue

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 7:38pm

I think that Pres. Hinckley started looking closely at some data from outside

joebravo

10/12/15 7:44pm

0 for 500...really?

ds7

10/12/15 9:42pm

RE: 0 for 500...really?

joebravo

10/13/15 4:07am

This is what I've seen as well.

CougarPilot

10/13/15 12:31pm

The real question that nobody is asking in all of this is...

10/13/15 9:59am

P12 might have a hard time justifying their "opinions" at that point!

Harrison0Yfan

10/13/15 2:38pm

don't worry, it's a smokescreen excuse and everyone knows it

JackStack

10/13/15 2:54pm

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