Do teaching hospitals see med students as a burden but also free labor?

Oct 12, 2015
8:16:09pm

KingDave

I'm just wondering what their motivation would be to take on even more med students.

I know for our dialysis clinic we take on students because it makes recruiting super easy and it's like a 6 month interview.

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Talked to a faculty member re: Provo high school (among other things)

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 6:45pm

Cecil Samuelson said BYU would never have a med school - too many Federal rules.

Monomachos

10/12/15 6:49pm

He would definitely know more about that than most.

bretonnia

10/12/15 6:54pm

This is true. I'm pre-med at BYU and many of us have been heavily recruited by

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 6:58pm

Lol. College students have former colleagues. You're killing me.

Wingnut

10/12/15 7:01pm

Classmate. I think he meant classmate.

Virginia Ute

10/12/15 7:03pm

I worked with her. Is that not a colleague?

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 7:05pm

I think most people don't refer to others as colleagues until after they start

KingDave

10/12/15 8:02pm

Gotcha. Yeah I think it might be specific to established careers for some people

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 9:05pm

He obviously knows more than I do about it

KingDave

10/12/15 6:55pm

Astronomical start up costs not necessarily a barrier

blucoug18

10/12/15 6:59pm

Partnering with IHC would help. They are extremely economically sound.

Slim

10/12/15 7:10pm

It would be interesting to see how Intermountain would respond if the BYU wanted

bretonnia

10/12/15 7:22pm

All depends on whether there is money to be made.

Virginia Ute

10/12/15 7:24pm

I can tell you one thing. Intermountain does NOT want to be affiliated with a DO

Slim

10/12/15 7:26pm

Do hospitals ever take students from multiple schools?

KingDave

10/12/15 8:07pm

All the time

Slim

10/12/15 8:13pm

Do teaching hospitals see med students as a burden but also free labor?

KingDave

10/12/15 8:16pm

Med students provide no useful services in a hospital

Rogue Gunner

10/12/15 8:23pm

Deleted my verbatim hack of Slim.

Virginia Ute

10/13/15 3:29am

Med students cause more work for everyone. Residents are the cheap labor.

Slim

10/12/15 8:31pm

I believe so, but it's rare. IIRC, some of the bigger Boston hospitals take

bretonnia

10/12/15 8:15pm

For the uninitiated among us, "DO" is Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine?

cougarmeister

10/13/15 8:55am

Correct

bretonnia

10/13/15 12:14pm

He addressed this - said it might not be as big a problem as some GAs might have

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 6:57pm

Do you have a link? I would like to read his comments

concolor couguar

10/12/15 7:05pm

It was at a meeting with a Q&E. Someone asked him if BYU would be getting

Monomachos

10/12/15 7:17pm

What are you talking about? What federal regulations would possibly impede BYU

Flyingdolphin

10/12/15 7:47pm

I think they're worried about ties to federal funding, of which US Med schools

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 9:08pm

BYU already received millions in federal funding

concolor couguar

10/12/15 10:08pm

Very possible. Maybe that's why he said he doesn't think it'd be an issue

Harrison0Yfan

10/13/15 8:12am

I'm just the messenger; that is what he said but he really did not explain it

Monomachos

10/12/15 11:02pm

I think he cited cost, I don't remember hearing anything about federal rules

Flyingdolphin

10/12/15 7:46pm

i believe the church might have 'some' interest in Provo High,

joebravo

10/12/15 6:59pm

There is absolutely nothing holding BYU back from having a med school...

IGlowInTheDark

10/12/15 7:01pm

Exactly, this is the bottom line. He said he could see it reaching a point when

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 7:03pm

I don't even buy that either.

IGlowInTheDark

10/12/15 7:12pm

That's just what he told me.

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 7:13pm

Tell him to stop lying to you.

IGlowInTheDark

10/12/15 7:19pm

Same. So many international students apply for the Match

WorfoSAUR

10/12/15 7:51pm

What if it's connected to the Perpetual Education Fund?

KingDave

10/12/15 8:10pm

That's a very interesting idea.

bretonnia

10/12/15 9:54pm

Sorry, he wasn't meaning international students themselves

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 9:09pm

how would BYU enforce an Honor Code at a med school..

joebravo

10/12/15 7:06pm

Does BYU enforce it with their grad programs?

Virginia Ute

10/12/15 7:10pm

In my program, not really.

Snipe

10/12/15 7:41pm

Stay out late? Lol.. there isn't a curfew. This isn't BYU-Idaho

Dissenter

10/13/15 7:47am

With another heart surgeon in the QoT maybe things start shifting...

BYUFam1

10/12/15 7:10pm

Elder Renlund is actually a cardiologist. Great talk in GC

WorfoSAUR

10/12/15 7:40pm

He was a resident at Hopkins right?

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 7:41pm

It's interesting to me to see the possible shift in the winds, seems it was only

BYUFBDAD

10/12/15 7:28pm

Yep, much of that is a pride issue

Harrison0Yfan

10/12/15 7:38pm

I think that Pres. Hinckley started looking closely at some data from outside

joebravo

10/12/15 7:44pm

0 for 500...really?

ds7

10/12/15 9:42pm

RE: 0 for 500...really?

joebravo

10/13/15 4:07am

This is what I've seen as well.

CougarPilot

10/13/15 12:31pm

The real question that nobody is asking in all of this is...

cougarmeister

10/13/15 9:59am

P12 might have a hard time justifying their "opinions" at that point!

Harrison0Yfan

10/13/15 2:38pm

don't worry, it's a smokescreen excuse and everyone knows it

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