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Dec 7, 2016
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KGKUGR
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Failure/rejection is often the best motivator...
Ask Michael Jordan if getting rejected as a sophomore in HS wasn't a turning point in his development. History is replete with examples.
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Isaac Neilson. . .are we sure we're better off without him???
DetmerForever
12/6/16 11:47pm
I think we're pretty sure we're not.
LosAlcoug
12/6/16 11:51pm
Who would you remove from the current team?
Lance71
12/6/16 11:52pm
Mika. Easily Mika.
Cougarfan777
12/6/16 11:53pm
We miss Frank Bartley too...
dukestirr
12/7/16 7:34am
Neilson over Aytes
SierraCoug
12/7/16 12:00am
Shaw and Aytes.
ag4cougs
12/7/16 6:28am
^^^^THIS^^^^ Just Shaw. Keep Aytes
WCC Referee
12/7/16 9:14am
Davis. I've been VERY unimpressed with him this year. Neilson is better.
Circaman12
12/7/16 11:37am
Was he really runnoft or did he simply not like the style of play that the coach
ByuMba90
12/6/16 11:52pm
I think he was told that there was no longer a scholly for him
jaromp
12/6/16 11:59pm
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MarkWatney
12/7/16 12:06pm
Reportedly byu wanted him to be an outside player
BYU '80
12/9/16 12:13pm
The scholly was most likely down to him or Shaw. Hindsight..... but can see where it was a tough choice at the time.
soupie
12/7/16 12:03am
Neilson is a far better player
BYU '80
12/7/16 6:39am
Not at the time
soupie
12/7/16 7:00am
No one projected Shaw to be better, tho.
ag4cougs
12/7/16 8:37am
Now...yes. But that is from development. Nielson is now getting it, whereas
BYUHgrad
12/7/16 7:14am
Hindsight is 20/20. His freshman year he was a huge liability on D and he didn't
BigD Coug
12/7/16 12:03am
LOL you're trying to tell me Rose cut a player because he can't play defense???
DetmerForever
12/7/16 12:14am
No. I'm telling you that his total game wasn't good enough to take a
BigD Coug
12/7/16 12:20am
Rose made a poor choice when he went with Aytes over Neilson.
SierraCoug
12/7/16 12:31am
I don't think the choice was between Aytes & Nielsen, it was between
BigD Coug
12/7/16 12:39am
He sucked as a freshman, and no one shed a tear when he left.
OpusX
12/7/16 2:11am
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MarkWatney
12/7/16 12:07pm
Me too. Nielson barely got a chance.
socorny
12/7/16 1:36pm
He's had 2, 2 good games is all. Let him be gone
dizthewiz
12/7/16 1:05am
He's averaging 12.4 pts and 9.6 rebs a game...
icecougar
12/7/16 2:49am
The question is how come Isaac is developing better at UVU then he did at BYU?
CoolB
12/7/16 1:41am
Kaufusi improved in the season he worked with Pope at BYU...
icecougar
12/7/16 2:52am
No defense for this.
Ash
12/7/16 7:14am
Failure/rejection is often the best motivator...
KGKUGR
12/7/16 7:40am
Pope is the main reason- he is a great big man coach.
OGSuperfan
12/7/16 8:09am
What has Pope done to show that he is a "great" big man coach? What did he do for BYU's big
lightmann
12/7/16 9:34am
If I remember correctly, Hartsock improved a lot
CFMcK
12/7/16 9:38am
Hartsock improved as a result of ongoing playing time, he should have improved as much as he did anyway.
lightmann
12/7/16 4:03pm
Gave Mika his "While on Mission" plan to improve his game - seemed to work
OGSuperfan
12/7/16 9:55am
Kaufusi showed marked improvement in his game during his time with Rose...
icecougar
12/7/16 11:38am
He should have. When he came in as a freshman his bb skills were very rudimentary.
lightmann
12/7/16 4:08pm
I am not convinced of this. Very few of the big men on his watch developed
Thrill
12/7/16 10:58am
Because BYU was a guard heavy team during his tenure; but the big men he DID
OGSuperfan
12/7/16 11:03am
It doesn't matter if they were guard oriented or not, which guys besides those
Thrill
12/7/16 11:24am
I am not convinced of this...
icecougar
12/7/16 11:51am
I wouldn't say "few" generally. The big issue is at the 4/5 positions.
Bob Vance
12/7/16 8:38am
Probably because he gets a lot more playing time then he ever would at byu, in
Champ Kind
12/7/16 9:43am
I gave you a thumbs up; however Shaw has progressed nicely. We don't know
BYUSwoop
12/7/16 12:05pm
Shaw has progressed nicely...based on what? compared to what?
ag4cougs
12/7/16 12:11pm
He's contributed and can be trusted...this is based on Wrubell/Durrant/Cleveland
BYUSwoop
12/7/16 12:30pm
lots of guys can be trusted, doesn't make them D1 players.
ag4cougs
12/7/16 12:45pm
Semantics...Shaw is proving to be a D1 players
BYUSwoop
12/7/16 1:38pm
By necessity. Perhaps I watch too much basketball.
ag4cougs
12/7/16 2:20pm
This one hurts but in hindsight it's a swing and miss by Rose...
icecougar
12/7/16 2:59am
Yeah...we prob let a good one go there
zerome4sooners
12/7/16 4:48am
I never really understood why they sent him off. He would have been nice to have
jensen46
12/7/16 5:55am
Why would neilson stay to play Aytes 10 min a game when he starts at UVU?
gww687
12/7/16 6:34am
Actually, I think would have wanted to stay (it wasn't his choice as he was
BYUHgrad
12/7/16 6:39am
Don't underestimate the work you can get in when you don't have to worry about
mokelembembe
12/7/16 6:55am
One thing I've learned about CB is that we only need to see a kid play for a
Freddie Cougar
12/7/16 7:01am
I wouldn't say he was a bust, just that he was caught in a
BigD Coug
12/7/16 7:13am
It amazing what rejection can do for motivation. Im sure getting "cut" from BYU
BE-WHY-YOU
12/7/16 7:46am
This
RICoug
12/7/16 8:28am
Totally agree. He seemed complacent with his role.
BYUHgrad
12/7/16 9:38am
Bingo
BYUSwoop
12/7/16 11:56am
Don't know if this has been mentioned....
bluegato
12/7/16 8:15am
Interesting. So, not like it was just Rose cutting him.
Bob Vance
12/7/16 8:40am
Odd, because a stretch 4/5 is so highly prized in basketball these days
ldssdl
12/7/16 10:45am
This is why he left
PBJcougar
12/7/16 9:47am
Wow. Never saw that article before.
Iman23
12/7/16 10:52am
Nielson wanted to play outside and Rose wanted him to play inside - there were other differences as well
Cougarpride
12/7/16 10:40am
It seems at the time we definitely needed an inside presence.
jensen46
12/7/16 10:55am
FWIW, my three reasons why Isaac Neilson has improved so substantially:
roseyscenario
12/7/16 11:56am
I'm nothing but happy for Nielson. What happened to him in having his scholly
ledfoot
12/7/16 12:47pm
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