It's interesting to hear that line "best and brightest" coupled with the

Apr 26, 2018
3:05:14pm

rcbyufan All-American

Argument "there's no way to evaluate teachers and pay the good ones more and bad ones less".

I'm probably building a Strawman but wouldn't raising pay just as likely lead to crappy teachers getting more pay as attracting best and brightest?

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Do you really want to attract teachers who are in it for the money?

viper

4/26/18 3:01pm

Just peole who perform well at their assigned tasks. Don't care about motive.

Plato

4/26/18 3:02pm

Yes, you absolutely want teachers who are in it for the money.

scootsy

4/26/18 3:03pm

Caring is great till you realize competency is better

SouthernBlueBlood

4/26/18 3:03pm

It's interesting to hear that line "best and brightest" coupled with the

rcbyufan

4/26/18 3:05pm

Not if you pull potential teachers out of more lucrative fields because they now

doubled1981

4/26/18 3:07pm

FTR, I'm a fan of economic incentives. Teachers should be paid more.

rcbyufan

4/26/18 3:12pm

Why do you assume our teachers aren't bright and did not have other options?

viper

4/26/18 3:07pm

I don't.

rcbyufan

4/26/18 3:09pm

Any competent administrator or school board member should be able to go

vaquero

4/26/18 4:03pm

In that theory, should teaching be a strictly volunteer basis?

Left Shark Coug

4/26/18 3:05pm

Do you really want doctors who are in it for the money?

displacedute

4/26/18 3:05pm

I just want a airline pilot who cares.

SouthernBlueBlood

4/26/18 3:13pm

These are people who are held accountable for their performance,teachers are not

viper

4/26/18 3:16pm

Teachers are held accountable for performance.

displacedute

4/26/18 4:13pm

LOL- docs and nurses get canned all the time,

SouthernBlueBlood

4/26/18 4:24pm

Nurses, Nurse Practitioners, and PAs are always among the least-fired jobs.

displacedute

4/26/18 4:40pm

The original point you made was it was hard to fire them. It’s not. And they get let go all the time. NP/PA and RN’s are

SouthernBlueBlood

4/26/18 5:11pm

They're less likely to be fired than most professions.

displacedute

4/26/18 5:23pm

I see where you’re coming from. The difference that I think is important is the medical professionals were discussing is

SouthernBlueBlood

4/26/18 5:42pm

There's a supply issue for teachers too.

displacedute

4/26/18 11:35pm

Increasing salaries would mean there would be more applicants

donnerstag

4/26/18 3:07pm

If you suddenly increased salaries, you would not suddenly get more applicants

viper

4/26/18 3:10pm

I don't believe he said it would happen instantly.

Left Shark Coug

4/26/18 3:12pm

I guess you would need to pair it with ability to fire bad performers

viper

4/26/18 3:13pm

Its not the hiring process that refines candidates, its the ability to fire them

Plato

4/26/18 3:17pm

Over the years, I have considered going into teaching. I would take a $30k cut

DC12

4/26/18 3:37pm

And you would have to go back to school to get certified, so lost income as well

viper

4/26/18 4:03pm

This is the real problem: certification. Too much time spent on methodology

vaquero

4/26/18 4:07pm

I think this applies for High School and maybe Jr. High, but definitely not

GenkiLawyer

4/27/18 1:16pm

To an extent, I agree with you; however, there are also

vaquero

4/27/18 1:59pm

You sound like a great Sunday School Teacher. Thanks for putting in the effort

GenkiLawyer

4/27/18 3:15pm

Here’s my example from another thread. I’ve personally seen this work well.

Extra Biscuits

4/26/18 3:38pm

Plenty of lazy bum teachers collecting a check.

Dillinger

4/26/18 3:53pm

YES... money is a constant desire... people motivated by money perform.

ClackamasCoug

4/26/18 4:14pm

If they're in it for the money and we can change the system to represent a

El Pasco

4/26/18 4:31pm

I think if they were paid like engineers

troutmaster13

4/26/18 4:42pm

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