Also, the denouement would be far less poignant if Frodo had achieved

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Jun 24, 2018
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an unequivocal victory. Payoff would be much weaker if he had sailed into the West as a conquering hero.

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The biggest problem with The Lord of the Rings, IMO

dchandle15

6/23/18 10:38pm

And why did Piggy have to die?

Dr MoBYU

6/23/18 10:38pm

Because he was chubby and wanted order. The other kids wanted chaos.

Hypnotoad

6/23/18 10:42pm

Mob mentality is a primal instinct.

Dr MoBYU

6/23/18 11:09pm

Sam resisted evil all the way to the end.

spugeddy24

6/23/18 10:44pm

Yup, he was the hero. I have this same argument with my mom

Bert609

6/23/18 11:21pm

Love the idea that great things are accomplished by imperfect people

SouthernCoug

6/24/18 5:17am

Spoiler! I haven’t had a chance to read the book yet.

Cougar-Duck

6/23/18 10:52pm

To show that nobody is immune to the temptation of power

jokai_mor

6/23/18 10:59pm

Tom Bombadil was immune to the ring’s power.

Cougar-Duck

6/23/18 11:02pm

In fact, (nerd alert):

Cougar-Duck

6/23/18 11:06pm

He put the ring on and wasn't even made invisible.

Bert609

6/23/18 11:18pm

Not sure how solid it is, but I've always liked the theory . . . (spoilers?)

jokai_mor

6/24/18 10:30am

Never seen it

Mr. Belding

6/23/18 11:07pm

Life incomplete

BYUBandfan

6/23/18 11:10pm

I've never seen any of LoTR, Harry Potter or the hobbitt

kotacoug

6/23/18 11:14pm

Wow that is so cool and manly!

shimmy

6/24/18 7:12am

Ohh a quibble from Shimmy....

kotacoug

6/24/18 7:43am

No quibble. Just respect for something you're proud of.

shimmy

6/24/18 10:08am

Same with me. Glad there are other cool people on the board.

Mr. Belding

6/24/18 8:44am

Read the book

Downtown

6/24/18 12:02am

I did read those first

dchandle15

6/24/18 12:31pm

I don’t see a problem with it. I don’t think I’d like it quite as much if he

cougarnerd

6/24/18 12:03am

Spoiler Alert!!

sah22

6/24/18 12:18am

I'm as antispoiler as they come, but you're talking here about a book that is

mannheimadler

6/24/18 1:15am

Please recalibrate TIC meter

sah22

6/24/18 9:05am

Here is one perspective

yahtzee

6/24/18 1:36am

I never really thought about it like that, but it's a good point.

BlueFever

6/24/18 3:23am

Sam resisted. The narrative you mention holds true with him.

jdub

6/24/18 3:53am

Reminds me of the scripture “he will deceive the very elect.”

tebowned

6/24/18 6:12am

One of the best Tolkien quotes:

Bert609

6/24/18 8:05am

I like it. Christ was the only one who could stay perfect. Frodo needed some

Osteotome

6/24/18 5:00am

This "problem" is one example of why LotR transcends the generic

panguitch

6/24/18 6:20am

And it's carried through, to the end where Frodo can't stay. IIRC, the explanation was something along the lines that he

Smack'sWife

6/24/18 3:45pm

Only two people ever voluntarily gave up the ring.

panguitch

6/24/18 4:37pm

That's some deep stuff right there. Good but deep.

SouthernCoug

6/24/18 4:42pm

It’s about bad seeds; he inherited it from the Baggins’s

RWaters

6/24/18 7:28am

Tolkien didn't intend allegory. That doesn't mean he didn't intend meaning.

panguitch

6/24/18 8:18am

I think it has to do with Gollum. Frodo questioned why bilbo

Cougarclaw

6/24/18 8:11am

Also, the denouement would be far less poignant if Frodo had achieved

panguitch

6/24/18 9:05am

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