i see your point, but because of the coaching changes, he's sort of getting

Aug 20, 2018
1:05:36pm

smokymountainrain All-American

a re-start on the whole idea of "improvement". he has his scapegoat in Detmer, so in a way gets a mulligan on the 4 win season. if BYU wins 5 or 6, he can point to the coaching change and claim the upward trajectory.

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I, like Kyle Van Noy, can't believe how far the standard of our program

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:34pm

RE: I, like Kyle Van Noy, can't believe how far the standard of our program

StarMan

8/20/18 12:38pm

For the record, I'm actually closer to your opinion than most CBers. I was ready to pull the plug last season

Bert609

8/20/18 12:42pm

But I was feeling generous today, hence my post.

Bert609

8/20/18 12:48pm

Changing the entire offensive coaching staff isn't minor...

icecougar

8/25/18 4:23pm

There's the longer term expectations versus the specific expectations for 2018 on the heels of a historically bad

Indy Coug

8/20/18 12:42pm

So you give the coach who drug us down to the lowest of lows in program

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:47pm

How we got here is one question, but I don't care who the coach is now. Given where we were last year

Indy Coug

8/20/18 12:49pm

So the fact that Kalani completely wrecked the program

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:54pm

Take a deep breath. I'm talking about what the expectations should be this year for a W-L

Indy Coug

8/20/18 12:56pm

Why don't you take a moment to think, you are saying he deserves

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 1:05pm

This is my last response to you on this topic because you seem oddly incapable of getting the point I'm making

Indy Coug

8/20/18 1:08pm

Let me put it more simply for you because logic seems to escape you

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 1:17pm

He didn't write that he'd be happy to get to a 4.

Belboz

8/20/18 1:27pm

So are you saying that the expectations for every season forever more ...

icecougar

8/25/18 5:04pm

RE: So you give the coach who drug us down to the lowest of lows in program

StarMan

8/20/18 12:52pm

T-down? IOW....you got nothing but estrogen-fueled emotion?

StarMan

8/20/18 12:59pm

Your OP is fair but not the Kalani criticism

GOR

8/20/18 6:23pm

getting a little frantic and emotional there. Check your emotional...

icecougar

8/25/18 4:40pm

This is correct. Going from the worst season in several decades to making

Duke Silver

8/20/18 12:48pm

Six wins is a major victory in my eyes. Also 5 wins is a massive failure. 😃

SandYFan

8/20/18 12:49pm

But you can completely ruin it in one season apparently

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 12:52pm

C'mon. Kalani would have an infinitely longer leash this year if he had won 10 games last year instead of 4

Indy Coug

8/20/18 12:57pm

But had he won 7 you would have expected more than 6 this year

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 1:01pm

i see your point, but because of the coaching changes, he's sort of getting

smokymountainrain

8/20/18 1:05pm

Why is this so freaking hard for you to comprehend? If a team finishes 4-9 the year before

Indy Coug

8/20/18 1:05pm

A coach shouldn't be judged in comparison to his own

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 1:12pm

BYU didn't immediately get better. They finished 6-6 in 2005, compared to 5-6 in 2004

Indy Coug

8/20/18 1:15pm

Still defending the dumpster fire that was Gary Crowton I see

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 1:20pm

Bronco is the 2nd best head coach in BYU history. He has been grossly underappreciated what he did

Indy Coug

8/20/18 1:22pm

BYU got immediately worse in 2005 when Bronco replaced Crowton...

icecougar

8/25/18 5:20pm

I actually would be okay with 5 wins this year IF the team fights and

Duke Silver

8/20/18 1:05pm

This is my point

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 1:09pm

But the fact is, we were THAT BAD last year. Considering we are returning

Duke Silver

8/20/18 1:13pm

Considering last year (and last year only), what is "acceptable for BYU" for you

StarMan

8/20/18 1:14pm

I'm having a hard time figuring out how you "Kalani Guys" keep

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 1:27pm

Please simply answer my three questions with your own opinion so I can know

StarMan

8/20/18 1:30pm

Last year’s team (and Kalani) lowered the bar to where it is.

Duke Silver

8/20/18 1:58pm

Who said anything about a long leash? He needs to get back to bowl eligibility

mm73

8/20/18 1:53pm

2017 Fresno would like a word

BloodyBlueBone

8/20/18 2:38pm

Rule, meet the very rare exception. If you try to live your life expecting the exception, the rule will

Indy Coug

8/20/18 2:47pm

I'm not sure if I agree with CB on the whole idea of the program having fallen

Ash

8/20/18 2:45pm

we have 3 losses already on the schedule. we'll be dogs in probably 7 games.

johnnycarson

8/20/18 1:04pm

We are dogs because of how horrendous we were in 2017 and

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 1:06pm

I can't believe that some people think Hans sets the standard for BYU football.

CougarThug

8/20/18 2:01pm

Recency bias is real. Things were going down at the end last year.

StalwartBraveTrue

8/20/18 3:46pm

I see what KVN is saying, but goals for Bronco's first year as HC

RedSox

8/20/18 3:54pm

The difference is that Bronco didn't create that mess, Crowton did.

kimdaddy35

8/20/18 4:03pm

We are playing with Bronco's recruits. He created this mess, especially on the

bluecougar1985

8/20/18 5:32pm

...and at the skill positions on offense. We've had RB depth issues, WR depth...

icecougar

8/25/18 11:06am

I don’t see that it makes a difference.

RedSox

8/20/18 6:34pm

Bingo

icecougar

8/25/18 11:12am

the difference is irrelevant. You refuse to put it in context for Kalani but...

icecougar

8/25/18 11:01am

RE: I, like Kyle Van Noy, can't believe how far the standard of our program

BuckeyeCougarCrumb

8/20/18 4:11pm

If we don't run Bronco out, we may go undefeated in 2016....just sayin'

B Blue

8/20/18 7:30pm

RE: If we don't run Bronco out, we may go undefeated in 2016....just sayin'

BuckeyeCougarCrumb

8/21/18 3:46pm

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