Bonds are basically private loans through a government institution. So in this

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Jul 16, 2019
8:42:15am

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Bonds are basically private loans through a government institution. So in this

case, the state allows the athletic department to sell bonds to private investors, and then the athletic department pays back those bonds plus interest. The interest rate is very low because the investment is backed by the state institution and is completely safe. So it’s just basically allowing the athletic department to borrow money from private investors. No money is coming from the state.

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SL Trib being the Trib in article about BYU Stadium expansion:

jdub

7/16/19 7:16am

That statement is 100% factual and not really a dig at BYU.

jreid191

7/16/19 7:24am

The comparison to Utah is dumb

Gustav

7/16/19 7:33am

and even after their expansion, they'll still have a smaller stadium

ManicBlue

7/16/19 8:24am

Why let little things like "facts" and "reality" get in the way?....

BleedCougarBlue2

7/16/19 11:57am

No kiddings. Makes it sound like it's the same size.

BYURider

7/16/19 10:37am

Tell me how it is pertinent to the story, especially as a lead in.

jdub

7/16/19 7:36am

My only regret in your highlighting this

7/16/19 7:48am

True, but at least I didn't link it.

jdub

7/16/19 7:51am

Good job on that indeed

Pretorian

7/16/19 8:03am

Read the whole article. The first two paragraphs were digs at BYU.

IdahoCoug

7/16/19 7:47am

I'm gonna just take you at your word.

whirl

7/16/19 9:11am

It is? I’m on CB more than I should be and I don’t recall expansion being a hot

gwalker

7/16/19 8:03am

That is exactly what Drew said. BYU fans are not clamoring for expansion.

Tokolosh

7/16/19 8:16am

But was Jay's intro was relevant to the story about BYU?

jdub

7/16/19 8:18am

As a hook to draw in more readers? Maybe.

Tokolosh

7/16/19 8:22am

You might feel different if it were an article about the RES expansion and it

SwampyCoug

7/16/19 8:31am

I likely wouldn't feel differently. And I'd expect a comparison to other stadiums in the state, it is meaningful.

Tokolosh

7/16/19 8:33am

Not in the intro. That's not what you lead with.

jdub

7/16/19 8:36am

Ah. I missed the word “few.”

gwalker

7/16/19 8:59am

Go back a decade or more and LES expansion was a popular

lightmann

7/16/19 9:01am

The majority of yewt fans are classless band-wagoners who are happy to cheer for

Santos L. Halper

7/16/19 10:03am

The only thing worse than Jay’s articles are his talks in sacrament meeting!

Odysseus

7/16/19 7:24am

The rest of the article is positive and complimentary.

Everyman

7/16/19 7:41am

Doesn't fit the narrative.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 7:42am

that misses the point.

jdub

7/16/19 7:56am

Do you read all BYU content produced by the Trib?

ag4cougs

7/16/19 8:09am

No, I don't. I've read too much garbage from them in the past that it's not

jdub

7/16/19 8:15am

You seemed pretty confident EVERY article had digs in it.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 8:20am

Nah, but too many do, and that's the point.

jdub

7/16/19 8:26am

Drew failed to provide the context behind the comparison. That I agree with.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 8:42am

It's not "part of a larger story". That's bullcrap.

jdub

7/16/19 8:56am

Don't let the irony escape you.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 9:07am

False statement? That's funny. Unless you can prove my OPINION

jdub

7/16/19 9:18am

Guy, you proved yourself wrong.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 9:25am

You keep using that word...

jdub

7/16/19 9:40am

Who disputed #3? The Trib is failing.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 9:50am

I assumed, when above you claimed I made false statements, that you must be

jdub

7/16/19 10:02am

The Trib is not a good paper. The Trib's BYU sports content is fine.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 10:28am

I wasn't referring to op-eds written by crazies. I was referring to staff.

jdub

7/16/19 10:51am

I like Fletcher Stack. Drew and Monson are church-going guys

ag4cougs

7/16/19 11:39am

I don't like her. I think she looks for negative angles rather than just

jdub

7/16/19 11:58am

any examples?

ag4cougs

7/16/19 1:20pm

Yes, lots. That's what led me to the conclusion over several years reading

jdub

7/16/19 1:48pm

Getting news from Facebook? Arguing on Facebook? Say no more.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 3:46pm

That was a classic deflection rather than respond.

jdub

7/16/19 3:56pm

you didn't even link the article. your anecdotal, exaggerated FB example

ag4cougs

7/16/19 7:44pm

Anecdotal: another term you don't understand, apparently. That's a lot just in this thread. Here you go:

jdub

7/16/19 10:55pm

Brother, that article offended you? Good grief. You're trying to be offended.

ag4cougs

7/17/19 7:23am

Offended? Nope. An example of poor journalism and dishonesty as I said? Yep.

jdub

7/17/19 10:13am

Oh, and for the record, I don't care whether or not they write articles

jdub

7/16/19 10:13am

You care enough to whine about it on a sports message board.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 10:33am

You mean I care enough to add more ammo to the narrative here.

jdub

7/16/19 10:44am

yeah, everyone's laughing.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 10:50am

And, as an aside, who from your family writes for the Trib? Or are they now

jdub

7/16/19 9:41am

Granted, but I choose to focus on the body of the

Everyman

7/16/19 8:24am

I didn't really see praise for BYU. Can you point out some praise

jdub

7/16/19 8:31am

Stating facts and quotes from BYU personnel...hot dog if that isn't journalism.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 8:43am

I realize you're struggling to follow the discussion here. He claimed

jdub

7/16/19 8:48am

Oh, I don't read the Trib. You know, the whole anti-BYU slant makes me sick.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 9:08am

See? You CAN understand colloquial communication. I knew you could.

jdub

7/16/19 9:19am

Hey El Jefe. I think your code somehow got FO mixed in with GenPop.

TwinsRight

7/16/19 2:05pm

Um... hate to break it to ya but that's 100% true

7/16/19 7:43am

And 100 percent unnecessary to the story

7/16/19 7:44am

It's also true that Utah is using about $50 million in state funding

jdub

7/16/19 7:50am

It’s a non-sequitur for sure

ldssdl

7/16/19 8:01am

That’s not true, the state isn’t funding it (unless you include the Utah

Scratch

7/16/19 8:18am

My mistake, I thought bonding was state funding. So, where is the money coming

jdub

7/16/19 8:23am

Bonds are basically private loans through a government institution. So in this

Scratch

7/16/19 8:42am

The state is guaranteeing the loans which allows the Yewts to borrow the funds with a lower interest rate. If the Yewts

HarlemCoug

7/16/19 9:17am

It wasn’t the Yankees. It was a parking company that was (apparently) losing

Scratch

7/16/19 1:05pm

So the state (tax payers) are fronting the cost.

FanofBYU

7/16/19 8:33pm

No, they are not. Do you understand how bonds work? Tax dollars are not used,

Scratch

7/16/19 11:36pm

Unless they default...

CoachSpeak

7/17/19 8:14am

Yep. The chances of which are virtually zero given the existing guaranteed

Scratch

7/17/19 9:00am

I don't think they will default either...

CoachSpeak

7/17/19 9:09am

So who fronts the cost? The bond gives them time to pay but the companies still

FanofBYU

7/17/19 9:14am

The private investors who buy the bonds front the cost.

Scratch

7/17/19 10:33am

It's also 100% true that BYU has higher attendance at home football games,

Left Shark Coug

7/16/19 7:57am

It's also true Utah has more problems with defecation in their concourse

jdub

7/16/19 8:01am

Utah could use the renovations that add restroom capacity more.

hydrocoug

7/16/19 8:13am

And out of context. If we were at 45,000 we'd be "clamoring" for more seats.

ochobeeguy

7/16/19 11:28pm

<< Deleted >>

7/16/19 7:49am

Many sports are dropping in attendance as TV options are just that good. Unless

LumberCoug

7/16/19 8:03am

I use to be a part of the group that said you can’t replace the stadium

ColumbusCoug

7/16/19 8:07am

my biggest problem with going to a game is you can't tell what's happening on

Kajdin

7/16/19 8:23am

Pros and cons to both. Being at the game

FanofBYU

7/16/19 8:39pm

And yet they keep raising ticket prices....

BYU Grounds

7/16/19 8:22am

RE: SL Trib being the Trib in article about BYU Stadium expansion:

TEXAS

7/16/19 8:23am

So why folks, why do you continue reading the local articles? They are all trash

SwampyCoug

7/16/19 8:24am

Where is the dig? BYU doesn't need an expansion like Utah because it is already

Baron

7/16/19 8:31am

The dig is in the paragraph I included in the OP. I'm not sure how you missed it

jdub

7/16/19 8:38am

What's the dig? BYU hasn't been selling out or that Utah is expanding too?

Baron

7/16/19 8:40am

I have full confidence that, if you reread that opening paragraph, you can

jdub

7/16/19 8:57am

Nothing there. But what offends one does not offend all so it appears for some

Baron

7/16/19 9:14am

What the intro implies is incorrect

JKLCoug

7/16/19 9:09am

There was nothing wrong with the lead

shakarocks

7/16/19 9:14am

Saracasm maybe?

jdub

7/16/19 9:22am

Utah's expansion is relevant to the conversation

shakarocks

7/16/19 10:22am

Wow, so you were serious? For the record, when I counter your claims here

jdub

7/16/19 10:42am

I've been attending BYU football for forty years

shakarocks

7/16/19 10:57am

Your length of attendance is relevant how?

jdub

7/16/19 11:07am

It's relevant because I have a reference point for comparing attendance

shakarocks

7/16/19 12:44pm

Sorry, no thanks. Terrible take? That's funny, and ironic.

jdub

7/16/19 12:55pm

Of course

shakarocks

7/16/19 1:06pm

Uh, sorry, there was plenty wrong with it.

jdub

7/16/19 1:14pm

The purpose of the article was to discuss the stadium improvements and

hydrocoug

7/16/19 1:12pm

It just managed to set off the thin-skinned CB'er

shakarocks

7/16/19 2:30pm

You seem pretty upset over this. Perhaps you could read your own post

jdub

7/16/19 2:47pm

It is what Drew always does....put down BYU and their fans and compare to Utah

WJCougar

7/16/19 11:11am

The Trib is dying. They've resorted to digs at BYU to boost traffic.

andrewg3

7/16/19 9:45am

I agree it’s an unnecessary dig, especially considering

Srg

7/16/19 9:49am

<< Deleted >>

jdub

7/16/19 10:02am

Just win and they will come. For now, we are trending in opposite directions.

coolblue

7/16/19 10:36am

Disagree.

7/16/19 10:44am

The comparison was not needed at all in the article.

WJCougar

7/16/19 11:20am

RE: SL Trib being the Trib in article about BYU Stadium expansion:

dafurball

7/16/19 11:21am

It got you to read it and post it here, didn't it? That was the whole point.

NewMexiCoug

7/16/19 11:30am

There is that.

jdub

7/16/19 11:54am

RE: SL Trib being the Trib in article about BYU Stadium expansion:

DapperDan

7/16/19 11:39am

I appreciate you posting a portion of the article without making us click on it.

goseabass

7/16/19 12:56pm

STOP. CLICKING.

Mitty

7/16/19 1:25pm

Annoying, but not comical, since their entire livlihood is centered around

QBarrister

7/16/19 3:49pm

Careful. Lots of Trib apologists in CB. I found that out a few weeks ago

7/16/19 7:29pm

Holy crap this is a long thread.

Zaphod

7/17/19 12:34pm

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