Offended? Nope. An example of poor journalism and dishonesty as I said? Yep.

Jul 17, 2019
10:13:43am

jdub FORMER USER

You have done a good job of trying to change the argument, though.

Like I said, PFS is a hack. She's a poor journalist and enjoys taking cheap shots at the church. It's more of the same from the Trib. Honest people recognize that.

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SL Trib being the Trib in article about BYU Stadium expansion:

jdub

7/16/19 7:16am

That statement is 100% factual and not really a dig at BYU.

jreid191

7/16/19 7:24am

The comparison to Utah is dumb

Gustav

7/16/19 7:33am

and even after their expansion, they'll still have a smaller stadium

ManicBlue

7/16/19 8:24am

Why let little things like "facts" and "reality" get in the way?....

BleedCougarBlue2

7/16/19 11:57am

No kiddings. Makes it sound like it's the same size.

BYURider

7/16/19 10:37am

Tell me how it is pertinent to the story, especially as a lead in.

jdub

7/16/19 7:36am

My only regret in your highlighting this

cougarmanguy

7/16/19 7:48am

True, but at least I didn't link it.

jdub

7/16/19 7:51am

Good job on that indeed

Pretorian

7/16/19 8:03am

Read the whole article. The first two paragraphs were digs at BYU.

IdahoCoug

7/16/19 7:47am

I'm gonna just take you at your word.

whirl

7/16/19 9:11am

It is? I’m on CB more than I should be and I don’t recall expansion being a hot

gwalker

7/16/19 8:03am

That is exactly what Drew said. BYU fans are not clamoring for expansion.

Tokolosh

7/16/19 8:16am

But was Jay's intro was relevant to the story about BYU?

jdub

7/16/19 8:18am

As a hook to draw in more readers? Maybe.

Tokolosh

7/16/19 8:22am

You might feel different if it were an article about the RES expansion and it

SwampyCoug

7/16/19 8:31am

I likely wouldn't feel differently. And I'd expect a comparison to other stadiums in the state, it is meaningful.

Tokolosh

7/16/19 8:33am

Not in the intro. That's not what you lead with.

jdub

7/16/19 8:36am

Ah. I missed the word “few.”

gwalker

7/16/19 8:59am

Go back a decade or more and LES expansion was a popular

lightmann

7/16/19 9:01am

The majority of yewt fans are classless band-wagoners who are happy to cheer for

Santos L. Halper

7/16/19 10:03am

The only thing worse than Jay’s articles are his talks in sacrament meeting!

Odysseus

7/16/19 7:24am

The rest of the article is positive and complimentary.

Everyman

7/16/19 7:41am

Doesn't fit the narrative.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 7:42am

that misses the point.

jdub

7/16/19 7:56am

Do you read all BYU content produced by the Trib?

ag4cougs

7/16/19 8:09am

No, I don't. I've read too much garbage from them in the past that it's not

jdub

7/16/19 8:15am

You seemed pretty confident EVERY article had digs in it.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 8:20am

Nah, but too many do, and that's the point.

jdub

7/16/19 8:26am

Drew failed to provide the context behind the comparison. That I agree with.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 8:42am

It's not "part of a larger story". That's bullcrap.

jdub

7/16/19 8:56am

Don't let the irony escape you.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 9:07am

False statement? That's funny. Unless you can prove my OPINION

jdub

7/16/19 9:18am

Guy, you proved yourself wrong.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 9:25am

You keep using that word...

jdub

7/16/19 9:40am

Who disputed #3? The Trib is failing.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 9:50am

I assumed, when above you claimed I made false statements, that you must be

jdub

7/16/19 10:02am

The Trib is not a good paper. The Trib's BYU sports content is fine.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 10:28am

I wasn't referring to op-eds written by crazies. I was referring to staff.

jdub

7/16/19 10:51am

I like Fletcher Stack. Drew and Monson are church-going guys

ag4cougs

7/16/19 11:39am

I don't like her. I think she looks for negative angles rather than just

jdub

7/16/19 11:58am

any examples?

ag4cougs

7/16/19 1:20pm

Yes, lots. That's what led me to the conclusion over several years reading

jdub

7/16/19 1:48pm

Getting news from Facebook? Arguing on Facebook? Say no more.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 3:46pm

That was a classic deflection rather than respond.

jdub

7/16/19 3:56pm

you didn't even link the article. your anecdotal, exaggerated FB example

ag4cougs

7/16/19 7:44pm

Anecdotal: another term you don't understand, apparently. That's a lot just in this thread. Here you go:

jdub

7/16/19 10:55pm

Brother, that article offended you? Good grief. You're trying to be offended.

ag4cougs

7/17/19 7:23am

Offended? Nope. An example of poor journalism and dishonesty as I said? Yep.

jdub

7/17/19 10:13am

Oh, and for the record, I don't care whether or not they write articles

jdub

7/16/19 10:13am

You care enough to whine about it on a sports message board.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 10:33am

You mean I care enough to add more ammo to the narrative here.

jdub

7/16/19 10:44am

yeah, everyone's laughing.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 10:50am

And, as an aside, who from your family writes for the Trib? Or are they now

jdub

7/16/19 9:41am

Granted, but I choose to focus on the body of the

Everyman

7/16/19 8:24am

I didn't really see praise for BYU. Can you point out some praise

jdub

7/16/19 8:31am

Stating facts and quotes from BYU personnel...hot dog if that isn't journalism.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 8:43am

I realize you're struggling to follow the discussion here. He claimed

jdub

7/16/19 8:48am

Oh, I don't read the Trib. You know, the whole anti-BYU slant makes me sick.

ag4cougs

7/16/19 9:08am

See? You CAN understand colloquial communication. I knew you could.

jdub

7/16/19 9:19am

Hey El Jefe. I think your code somehow got FO mixed in with GenPop.

TwinsRight

7/16/19 2:05pm

Um... hate to break it to ya but that's 100% true

CougarCanuck76

7/16/19 7:43am

And 100 percent unnecessary to the story

cougarmanguy

7/16/19 7:44am

It's also true that Utah is using about $50 million in state funding

jdub

7/16/19 7:50am

It’s a non-sequitur for sure

ldssdl

7/16/19 8:01am

That’s not true, the state isn’t funding it (unless you include the Utah

Scratch

7/16/19 8:18am

My mistake, I thought bonding was state funding. So, where is the money coming

jdub

7/16/19 8:23am

Bonds are basically private loans through a government institution. So in this

Scratch

7/16/19 8:42am

The state is guaranteeing the loans which allows the Yewts to borrow the funds with a lower interest rate. If the Yewts

HarlemCoug

7/16/19 9:17am

It wasn’t the Yankees. It was a parking company that was (apparently) losing

Scratch

7/16/19 1:05pm

So the state (tax payers) are fronting the cost.

FanofBYU

7/16/19 8:33pm

No, they are not. Do you understand how bonds work? Tax dollars are not used,

Scratch

7/16/19 11:36pm

Unless they default...

CoachSpeak

7/17/19 8:14am

Yep. The chances of which are virtually zero given the existing guaranteed

Scratch

7/17/19 9:00am

I don't think they will default either...

CoachSpeak

7/17/19 9:09am

So who fronts the cost? The bond gives them time to pay but the companies still

FanofBYU

7/17/19 9:14am

The private investors who buy the bonds front the cost.

Scratch

7/17/19 10:33am

It's also 100% true that BYU has higher attendance at home football games,

Left Shark Coug

7/16/19 7:57am

It's also true Utah has more problems with defecation in their concourse

jdub

7/16/19 8:01am

Utah could use the renovations that add restroom capacity more.

hydrocoug

7/16/19 8:13am

And out of context. If we were at 45,000 we'd be "clamoring" for more seats.

ochobeeguy

7/16/19 11:28pm

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LaVellIfIKnow

7/16/19 7:49am

Many sports are dropping in attendance as TV options are just that good. Unless

LumberCoug

7/16/19 8:03am

I use to be a part of the group that said you can’t replace the stadium

ColumbusCoug

7/16/19 8:07am

my biggest problem with going to a game is you can't tell what's happening on

Kajdin

7/16/19 8:23am

Pros and cons to both. Being at the game

FanofBYU

7/16/19 8:39pm

And yet they keep raising ticket prices....

BYU Grounds

7/16/19 8:22am

RE: SL Trib being the Trib in article about BYU Stadium expansion:

TEXAS

7/16/19 8:23am

So why folks, why do you continue reading the local articles? They are all trash

SwampyCoug

7/16/19 8:24am

Where is the dig? BYU doesn't need an expansion like Utah because it is already

Baron

7/16/19 8:31am

The dig is in the paragraph I included in the OP. I'm not sure how you missed it

jdub

7/16/19 8:38am

What's the dig? BYU hasn't been selling out or that Utah is expanding too?

Baron

7/16/19 8:40am

I have full confidence that, if you reread that opening paragraph, you can

jdub

7/16/19 8:57am

Nothing there. But what offends one does not offend all so it appears for some

Baron

7/16/19 9:14am

What the intro implies is incorrect

JKLCoug

7/16/19 9:09am

There was nothing wrong with the lead

shakarocks

7/16/19 9:14am

Saracasm maybe?

jdub

7/16/19 9:22am

Utah's expansion is relevant to the conversation

shakarocks

7/16/19 10:22am

Wow, so you were serious? For the record, when I counter your claims here

jdub

7/16/19 10:42am

I've been attending BYU football for forty years

shakarocks

7/16/19 10:57am

Your length of attendance is relevant how?

jdub

7/16/19 11:07am

It's relevant because I have a reference point for comparing attendance

shakarocks

7/16/19 12:44pm

Sorry, no thanks. Terrible take? That's funny, and ironic.

jdub

7/16/19 12:55pm

Of course

shakarocks

7/16/19 1:06pm

Uh, sorry, there was plenty wrong with it.

jdub

7/16/19 1:14pm

The purpose of the article was to discuss the stadium improvements and

hydrocoug

7/16/19 1:12pm

It just managed to set off the thin-skinned CB'er

shakarocks

7/16/19 2:30pm

You seem pretty upset over this. Perhaps you could read your own post

jdub

7/16/19 2:47pm

It is what Drew always does....put down BYU and their fans and compare to Utah

WJCougar

7/16/19 11:11am

The Trib is dying. They've resorted to digs at BYU to boost traffic.

andrewg3

7/16/19 9:45am

I agree it’s an unnecessary dig, especially considering

Srg

7/16/19 9:49am

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jdub

7/16/19 10:02am

Just win and they will come. For now, we are trending in opposite directions.

coolblue

7/16/19 10:36am

Disagree.

WaybackCougar

7/16/19 10:44am

The comparison was not needed at all in the article.

WJCougar

7/16/19 11:20am

RE: SL Trib being the Trib in article about BYU Stadium expansion:

dafurball

7/16/19 11:21am

It got you to read it and post it here, didn't it? That was the whole point.

NewMexiCoug

7/16/19 11:30am

There is that.

jdub

7/16/19 11:54am

RE: SL Trib being the Trib in article about BYU Stadium expansion:

DapperDan

7/16/19 11:39am

I appreciate you posting a portion of the article without making us click on it.

goseabass

7/16/19 12:56pm

STOP. CLICKING.

Mitty

7/16/19 1:25pm

Annoying, but not comical, since their entire livlihood is centered around

QBarrister

7/16/19 3:49pm

Careful. Lots of Trib apologists in CB. I found that out a few weeks ago

zerome4sooners

7/16/19 7:29pm

Holy crap this is a long thread.

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