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Aug 15, 2019
8:59:47am

BrotherBrighamsBeard Redshirt Freshman

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Viewed even with the goal line, I bet he is in already.
I see green between the shoe and the line.
I'm not sure his foot was dragging on the ground at the time.

Doesn't matter. The ref's call is final. Game is over. But an interesting look back and debate.

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BrotherBrighamsBeard

Previous username: BrotherBrigham'sBear
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Joined: Jan 21, 2015
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Wow, look at #48 on this list. I think if replay existed in '84 we don't win the

macdizzle

8/14/19 8:16am

Way to give utes a play-by-play to explain why BYU's National Championship was a hoax...

8/14/19 8:19am

I speak truth. Even if it is uncomfortable.

macdizzle

8/14/19 8:19am

Well, you can't see his feet when everyone is piling on. So,...

Benfica1

8/14/19 10:20am

Actually you can from the initial view. He breaks the plane before he is out.

BrotherBrighamsBeard

8/14/19 11:44am

I agree. He doesn't go out at any point, and he breaks the plane. I don't

macdizzle

8/14/19 4:59pm

See the freeze frame down below with CosimosPrime

Benfica1

8/15/19 8:37am

Great freeze frame. He looks in to me, though. It looks like there is space

macdizzle

8/15/19 8:56am

It's pretty close either way. The officials had to make the call in real time.

Benfica1

8/15/19 9:37am

I agree. It was just an observation on a play I’d never seen before

macdizzle

8/15/19 10:37am

Kind of like when replay existed when Bradley’s knee was down?

Punk Philosopher

8/14/19 11:24am

I also remember reading somewhere that a TD vs SMU in 1980 miracle bowl

Punk Philosopher

8/14/19 2:17pm

Never heard this. Don't believe it. The ref call touchdown pretty quickly.

Benfica1

8/14/19 2:31pm

No need to baselessly try to diminish plays from 40 years ago.

Benfica1

8/14/19 2:32pm

Baseless? I read it with my own two eyes and I think you may be confused at

Punk Philosopher

8/15/19 11:21am

Send link. I googled and found nothing. Thus, baseless (no backing).

Benfica1

8/15/19 11:37am

believe what you want dude, I read it in a magazine in the late 90's

Punk Philosopher

8/15/19 11:45am

Here is a video of the play in question: McMahon to Matt Braga

Punk Philosopher

8/15/19 8:36pm

According to Paul James' recollection in "Cougar Tails", when Braga came back

8/15/19 12:17pm

Maybe this was what I read. That sounds about right. At least now Benfica1 can

Punk Philosopher

8/15/19 8:18pm

Cant confirm either way. Regardless, NCs that didn't require some luck: 0

Gustav

8/14/19 8:22am

can easily confirm that macdizzle is right about play #48 and Pitt runner

cwilke1

8/14/19 9:18am

Can't 'easily' confirm since you can't see the runners feet when the ball breaks

ManicBlue

8/14/19 10:06am

by today's standards, that one is a slam dunk overturn.

archie

8/14/19 12:56pm

You must not have looked at it very carefully and it has to be more clear cut to

ManicBlue

8/14/19 4:15pm

Cal doesn't beat Stanford either on the kick return if there were replay

mwcoug

8/14/19 8:23am

Well, Brandon Bradley was down and even replay screwed it up

Indy Coug

8/14/19 8:25am

We still got the Crystal Trophy

8/14/19 8:26am

To be clear. The Immaculate Reception likely hit the ground. Rice certainly

macdizzle

8/14/19 8:27am

And Utah doesn't beat BYU in 2002 or 2010 (if done properly). TCU 2005. Etc etc etc etc. Feels so great doesn't it?

mulletino

8/14/19 8:27am

My biggest takeaway: BYUTV criminally under-rated the 1996 season. The

8/14/19 8:38am

Agreed. That A&M TD is a Top 10 play for sure

macdizzle

8/14/19 8:39am

The biggest problem by far is that there are a lot of top plays for which they don't have footage

Indy Coug

8/14/19 8:45am

There was no season except for 84 that was better then the 96 season. Blue Army!

nybyblue

8/14/19 1:24pm

But replay didn't exist back then. The 49ers don't beat the packers on the epic young to owens last second play if the

indocoug

8/14/19 8:39am

I agree. I just had never seen that play before. I used the Rice example

macdizzle

8/14/19 8:45am

p.s. #39 & #32 would not be touchdowns today as Vai celebrated before he got in the endzone and Reynolds continued play

indocoug

8/14/19 8:51am

IOW, football is over-regulated today

Indy Coug

8/14/19 9:00am

Ironically, that play with Reynolds was the last possible BYU game he could have

andrewg3

8/14/19 4:31pm

That's a pretty awesome video though.

RdF3

8/14/19 9:08am

I remember Nebraska winning on a 5th down and winning the NC.

PJMort

8/14/19 9:16am

I think that was Colorado against Missouri.

SpiffCoug

8/14/19 9:17am

Yep, that's the one

Indy Coug

8/14/19 9:19am

You’re right. My bad.

PJMort

8/14/19 9:24am

Oh brother, apply that to every play for the season, then do the same with Washington, and any other in the running

8/14/19 9:27am

Would like to have a punter that can hit like Payne did. That was funny to see.

8/14/19 9:31am

I haven't watched the full video and yet I know the exact play you're...

BleedCougarBlue2

8/14/19 9:45am

Calls usually go both ways. (except when Pac refs). They try to even it out.

ImuaKahuku

8/14/19 9:31am

I'm no college football ref, but you said "It looks like he got the ball on...

BleedCougarBlue2

8/14/19 9:42am

it was a judgment call then just like it is now, but the rules were the same

cwilke1

8/14/19 9:52am

Thx for the explanation &, yes, that is what I understood them to be. But...

BleedCougarBlue2

8/14/19 10:20am

I don’t know what you’re seeing. Looks to me like pylon was untouched

Heath Squashwell

8/14/19 9:51am

True, but the ball did cross the plane of the goal line.

SoCalCoug

8/14/19 10:03am

That's inconclusive. You can't see in the replay where his right foot is when he

8/14/19 9:56am

its a pretty easy one. he jumped and his feet are in the air when he crosses

cwilke1

8/14/19 10:05am

If you look at the first, full-speed clip, he's clearly dragging his feet out of

8/14/19 10:17am

Yep. ^^^^^ exactly correct. Good eye for detail.

BleedCougarBlue2

8/14/19 10:21am

Looks like his foot contacts the sideline before the ball enters the endzone

8/14/19 10:30am

This AND it doesn't matter. The game was played over 30 years ago.

Benfica1

8/14/19 10:36am

Counter arguments

BrotherBrighamsBeard

8/15/19 8:59am

Counter-counter argument: (1) paralax view of goal line can be deceptive; (2)

8/15/19 12:04pm

I slowed it down on youtube to 1/10 the speed and you're right

MAcc15Coug

8/14/19 11:03am

I used Pim particles and Harry Potter’s invisibility cloak and went back in time

StalwartBraveTrue

8/14/19 11:26am

There are 2 views of this play: 1 from behind the runner & 1 from in front...

BleedCougarBlue2

8/14/19 10:16am

Don’t go down that rabbit hole. Every championship season pre-replay

StalwartBraveTrue

8/14/19 10:22am

my takeaway: no top plays in the last 5 years

run26

8/14/19 10:51am

Yeah, well that video was made like 6 years ago.

robin

8/14/19 11:05am

my bad. i thought it was new. Still, do we have very many highlights

run26

8/14/19 1:56pm

First, I guarantee that that wasn't the only mistake (if we concede a mistake) made by the refs that day. Second,

CalGTR

8/14/19 10:57am

Excellent point about it not being the last play of the game.

BleedCougarBlue2

8/14/19 11:17am

We would have had a 3rd party intervene during a replay anyway 😉

SUAVO

8/14/19 11:02am

Thank you Eeyore, if it's a good day, which i doubt, you've thrown water on it.

Rigormortise

8/14/19 11:59am

#32 Matt Payne was the hardest hittin' punter in da leaaague!

Sexytaxman

8/14/19 12:10pm

Amen to that!

BleedCougarBlue2

8/14/19 2:04pm

I expected to see solid evidence based on your post. This is very questionable.

doups3

8/14/19 1:18pm

Agreed. This would likely stand.

Refugee

8/14/19 2:47pm

This and about 1 million gazillion plays since the game was invented...

Refugee

8/14/19 2:46pm

p.s.s. Bad Calls are part of sports. Ask the NO Saints.

indocoug

8/15/19 11:52am

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