Counter-counter argument: (1) paralax view of goal line can be deceptive; (2)

Aug 15, 2019
12:04:17pm

CosimosPrime Contributor

even if the ball crossed the plane before his foot contacts the sideline, without a different view there is no way the call would be reversed via replay IMHO.

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CosimosPrime

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Wow, look at #48 on this list. I think if replay existed in '84 we don't win the

macdizzle

8/14/19 8:16am

Way to give utes a play-by-play to explain why BYU's National Championship was a hoax...

BYUALWAYSNUM1

8/14/19 8:19am

I speak truth. Even if it is uncomfortable.

macdizzle

8/14/19 8:19am

Well, you can't see his feet when everyone is piling on. So,...

Benfica1

8/14/19 10:20am

Actually you can from the initial view. He breaks the plane before he is out.

BrotherBrighamsBeard

8/14/19 11:44am

I agree. He doesn't go out at any point, and he breaks the plane. I don't

macdizzle

8/14/19 4:59pm

See the freeze frame down below with CosimosPrime

Benfica1

8/15/19 8:37am

Great freeze frame. He looks in to me, though. It looks like there is space

macdizzle

8/15/19 8:56am

It's pretty close either way. The officials had to make the call in real time.

Benfica1

8/15/19 9:37am

I agree. It was just an observation on a play I’d never seen before

macdizzle

8/15/19 10:37am

Kind of like when replay existed when Bradley’s knee was down?

Punk Philosopher

8/14/19 11:24am

I also remember reading somewhere that a TD vs SMU in 1980 miracle bowl

Punk Philosopher

8/14/19 2:17pm

Never heard this. Don't believe it. The ref call touchdown pretty quickly.

Benfica1

8/14/19 2:31pm

No need to baselessly try to diminish plays from 40 years ago.

Benfica1

8/14/19 2:32pm

Baseless? I read it with my own two eyes and I think you may be confused at

Punk Philosopher

8/15/19 11:21am

Send link. I googled and found nothing. Thus, baseless (no backing).

Benfica1

8/15/19 11:37am

believe what you want dude, I read it in a magazine in the late 90's

Punk Philosopher

8/15/19 11:45am

Here is a video of the play in question: McMahon to Matt Braga

Punk Philosopher

8/15/19 8:36pm

According to Paul James' recollection in "Cougar Tails", when Braga came back

CosimosPrime

8/15/19 12:17pm

Maybe this was what I read. That sounds about right. At least now Benfica1 can

Punk Philosopher

8/15/19 8:18pm

Cant confirm either way. Regardless, NCs that didn't require some luck: 0

Gustav

8/14/19 8:22am

can easily confirm that macdizzle is right about play #48 and Pitt runner

cwilke1

8/14/19 9:18am

Can't 'easily' confirm since you can't see the runners feet when the ball breaks

ManicBlue

8/14/19 10:06am

by today's standards, that one is a slam dunk overturn.

archie

8/14/19 12:56pm

You must not have looked at it very carefully and it has to be more clear cut to

ManicBlue

8/14/19 4:15pm

Cal doesn't beat Stanford either on the kick return if there were replay

mwcoug

8/14/19 8:23am

Well, Brandon Bradley was down and even replay screwed it up

Indy Coug

8/14/19 8:25am

We still got the Crystal Trophy

Turnpike Lane

8/14/19 8:26am

To be clear. The Immaculate Reception likely hit the ground. Rice certainly

macdizzle

8/14/19 8:27am

And Utah doesn't beat BYU in 2002 or 2010 (if done properly). TCU 2005. Etc etc etc etc. Feels so great doesn't it?

mulletino

8/14/19 8:27am

My biggest takeaway: BYUTV criminally under-rated the 1996 season. The

BerkeleyCoug

8/14/19 8:38am

Agreed. That A&M TD is a Top 10 play for sure

macdizzle

8/14/19 8:39am

The biggest problem by far is that there are a lot of top plays for which they don't have footage

Indy Coug

8/14/19 8:45am

There was no season except for 84 that was better then the 96 season. Blue Army!

nybyblue

8/14/19 1:24pm

But replay didn't exist back then. The 49ers don't beat the packers on the epic young to owens last second play if the

indocoug

8/14/19 8:39am

I agree. I just had never seen that play before. I used the Rice example

macdizzle

8/14/19 8:45am

p.s. #39 & #32 would not be touchdowns today as Vai celebrated before he got in the endzone and Reynolds continued play

indocoug

8/14/19 8:51am

IOW, football is over-regulated today

Indy Coug

8/14/19 9:00am

Ironically, that play with Reynolds was the last possible BYU game he could have

andrewg3

8/14/19 4:31pm

That's a pretty awesome video though.

RdF3

8/14/19 9:08am

I remember Nebraska winning on a 5th down and winning the NC.

PJMort

8/14/19 9:16am

I think that was Colorado against Missouri.

SpiffCoug

8/14/19 9:17am

Yep, that's the one

Indy Coug

8/14/19 9:19am

You’re right. My bad.

PJMort

8/14/19 9:24am

Oh brother, apply that to every play for the season, then do the same with Washington, and any other in the running

Hank Rearden

8/14/19 9:27am

Would like to have a punter that can hit like Payne did. That was funny to see.

Blue for Life

8/14/19 9:31am

I haven't watched the full video and yet I know the exact play you're...

BleedCougarBlue2

8/14/19 9:45am

Calls usually go both ways. (except when Pac refs). They try to even it out.

ImuaKahuku

8/14/19 9:31am

I'm no college football ref, but you said "It looks like he got the ball on...

BleedCougarBlue2

8/14/19 9:42am

it was a judgment call then just like it is now, but the rules were the same

cwilke1

8/14/19 9:52am

Thx for the explanation &, yes, that is what I understood them to be. But...

BleedCougarBlue2

8/14/19 10:20am

I don’t know what you’re seeing. Looks to me like pylon was untouched

Heath Squashwell

8/14/19 9:51am

True, but the ball did cross the plane of the goal line.

SoCalCoug

8/14/19 10:03am

That's inconclusive. You can't see in the replay where his right foot is when he

Throwaway59840

8/14/19 9:56am

its a pretty easy one. he jumped and his feet are in the air when he crosses

cwilke1

8/14/19 10:05am

If you look at the first, full-speed clip, he's clearly dragging his feet out of

Throwaway59840

8/14/19 10:17am

Yep. ^^^^^ exactly correct. Good eye for detail.

BleedCougarBlue2

8/14/19 10:21am

Looks like his foot contacts the sideline before the ball enters the endzone

CosimosPrime

8/14/19 10:30am

This AND it doesn't matter. The game was played over 30 years ago.

Benfica1

8/14/19 10:36am

Counter arguments

BrotherBrighamsBeard

8/15/19 8:59am

Counter-counter argument: (1) paralax view of goal line can be deceptive; (2)

CosimosPrime

8/15/19 12:04pm

I slowed it down on youtube to 1/10 the speed and you're right

MAcc15Coug

8/14/19 11:03am

I used Pim particles and Harry Potter’s invisibility cloak and went back in time

StalwartBraveTrue

8/14/19 11:26am

There are 2 views of this play: 1 from behind the runner & 1 from in front...

BleedCougarBlue2

8/14/19 10:16am

Don’t go down that rabbit hole. Every championship season pre-replay

StalwartBraveTrue

8/14/19 10:22am

my takeaway: no top plays in the last 5 years

run26

8/14/19 10:51am

Yeah, well that video was made like 6 years ago.

robin

8/14/19 11:05am

my bad. i thought it was new. Still, do we have very many highlights

run26

8/14/19 1:56pm

First, I guarantee that that wasn't the only mistake (if we concede a mistake) made by the refs that day. Second,

CalGTR

8/14/19 10:57am

Excellent point about it not being the last play of the game.

BleedCougarBlue2

8/14/19 11:17am

We would have had a 3rd party intervene during a replay anyway 😉

SUAVO

8/14/19 11:02am

Thank you Eeyore, if it's a good day, which i doubt, you've thrown water on it.

Rigormortise

8/14/19 11:59am

#32 Matt Payne was the hardest hittin' punter in da leaaague!

Sexytaxman

8/14/19 12:10pm

Amen to that!

BleedCougarBlue2

8/14/19 2:04pm

I expected to see solid evidence based on your post. This is very questionable.

doups3

8/14/19 1:18pm

Agreed. This would likely stand.

Refugee

8/14/19 2:47pm

This and about 1 million gazillion plays since the game was invented...

Refugee

8/14/19 2:46pm

p.s.s. Bad Calls are part of sports. Ask the NO Saints.

indocoug

8/15/19 11:52am

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