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Oct 16, 2019
12:44:31pm

Mr Bassman All-American

so Sagarin is a bad indicator of whether a team is good?

and we're supposed to throw out the worst season since Crowton?

Kalani is losing to bad teams at a higher rate than Bronco did.

Let's say a Sagarin of 80 or lower is a loss to a bad team. Or at least a team BYU should beat 9/10 times.

By that metric, Kalani has had his fifth such loss. Bronco had three losses to teams ranked 80th or worse.

Bronco coached 142 games at BYU. Kalani, 45. https://t.co/X3AzG0Vf1S
— BYU Statsman (@BYUstatsMAN) October 14, 2019

https://twitter.com/BYUstatsMAN/status/1183867355161489408

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How has BYU's football program fallen so far?

Borg

10/16/19 7:19am

That story is about 30 years long

franklyvulgar

10/16/19 7:23am

The program is roughly in the same state as when Bronco left

donnerstag

10/16/19 7:24am

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Cougazul

10/16/19 7:26am

What if BYU had made one more play against USF and Toledo?

donnerstag

10/16/19 7:29am

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Cougazul

10/16/19 7:34am

As a reminder, BYU lost to 5 G5 opponents in 2014

donnerstag

10/16/19 7:37am

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Cougazul

10/16/19 7:40am

You say that losing to 2 G5 opponents at the last minute is a good barometer for

donnerstag

10/16/19 7:43am

Here’s the issue:

ataylor

10/16/19 7:45am

It's a fair point about 2017, otherwise you're pointing to 2 seasons

donnerstag

10/16/19 7:49am

It’s a fair point overall. The numbers don’t lie.

ataylor

10/16/19 7:50am

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Cougazul

10/16/19 7:49am

Neither USU nor UCF was ranked

donnerstag

10/16/19 7:54am

They were 10-4 and 9-4 though. Definitely not as bad as USF is this year. The

Dynasty1

10/16/19 7:58am

Toledo could very well end up with 9 or 10 wins

donnerstag

10/16/19 8:00am

Not really, before Kalani it was EXTREMELY rare that we'd lose to a G5 team with

Dynasty1

10/16/19 8:02am

Did you mean a few times one year?

Blue Cat

10/16/19 8:21am

Toledo lost to a 1-4 Bowling Green.

RSL

10/16/19 8:26am

Except they lost to bowling green, Toledo might be lucky to go bowling

BYU313

10/16/19 9:26am

They lost to a rival, on the road, with their QB knocked out.

Blue Cat

10/16/19 9:38am

True, but it does prove they aren't all they were hyped to be

BYU313

10/16/19 12:31pm

ESPN FPI still has them as an 8-9 win team.

Blue Cat

10/16/19 2:33pm

We will see. If they end up having a good season

BYU313

10/16/19 3:25pm

Their QB was knocked out in the 3rd quarter after they were already down 20-7

Mr Bassman

10/16/19 12:40pm

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Cougazul

10/16/19 8:00am

The worst loss was Utah State in 2010

donnerstag

10/16/19 8:05am

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Cougazul

10/16/19 8:11am

Those were the really bad losses

donnerstag

10/16/19 9:49am

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Cougazul

10/16/19 10:26am

I consider the 54-10 loss to Utah in 2011 a bad loss

donnerstag

10/16/19 10:44am

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Cougazul

10/16/19 10:55am

The only issues with your conclusion are that you're including

donnerstag

10/16/19 10:59am

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Cougazul

10/16/19 11:04am

Success in CFB is all about coaching. So saying that "other than coaching things

Dynasty1

10/16/19 11:05am

You're just making up expectations

donnerstag

10/16/19 11:15am

outside of Utah State, what bad teams did the 2010 team lose to?

Mr Bassman

10/16/19 12:49pm

so Sagarin is a bad indicator of whether a team is good?

Mr Bassman

10/16/19 12:44pm

My point is there were no bad losses in 2016

donnerstag

10/16/19 12:48pm

2016 we only won 9 games

Mr Bassman

10/16/19 12:54pm

All five of which were bowl teams with a combined record of 48-19

BeardedSpock

10/16/19 8:39am

All 5 schools have less revenue and resources than BYU

donnerstag

10/16/19 9:45am

and was 3-0 vs P5 teams while averaging over 40 points per game. It was a

Gorum the Old

10/16/19 9:13am

Yep. It reminds me of the time when BYU was 2-1

donnerstag

10/16/19 9:46am

What if BYU had not made 1 last play against TN or USC?

TailgateU

10/17/19 8:17am

Touche

Prickly Heat

10/16/19 9:50am

I’d put USf and Toledo in the easy team category maybe Tennessee as well

franklyvulgar

10/16/19 7:27am

Only after the season, we'll know if those were bad losses

donnerstag

10/16/19 7:35am

Toledo is always a bad loss

DapperDan

10/16/19 7:46am

We've lost to them before

CougarBuddy

10/16/19 8:01am

I'm wrong, I was thinking Tulsa. Have we played Toledo before?

CougarBuddy

10/16/19 8:06am

Any of the "tool" schools is a bad loss. Toledo, tulane, tulsa...

cougaman

10/16/19 9:36am

No that was our first time. We've only played them twice though. Beat them in

Dynasty1

10/16/19 8:08am

Thx. For some reason I've been thinking they...

CougarBuddy

10/16/19 9:32am

well the defense got beat pretty bad in 2007

Mr Bassman

10/16/19 1:01pm

not according to Mr. Criddle

Mr Bassman

10/16/19 12:55pm

"IF" Bronco would have had one of Sitake's 2 bowl opponents

kooogar

10/16/19 7:52am

In these uncertain times, it's nice to know that you can rely on donnerstag

BeardedSpock

10/16/19 8:35am

Back to using ad hominem arguments I see

donnerstag

10/16/19 9:47am

Kalani is your third cousin, right?

Ash

10/16/19 1:20pm

They have to be related somehow all the excuses he gives Sitake

cougaman

10/16/19 1:24pm

What if... BYU could be 0-6 right now. Im convinced you are related to Sitake

cougaman

10/16/19 8:46am

Yeah right. 2015 Boise State would beat 2019 BYU by 30+

andrewg3

10/16/19 9:39am

So, Utah and Washington didn't beat us by 30

Blue Cat

10/16/19 9:49am

Oh right, I forgot about our "Bend but don't break defense." So we would hold

andrewg3

10/16/19 11:16am

Answer:

ataylor

10/16/19 7:30am

It hasn't, but perception is often reality

2FarGone

10/16/19 7:36am

I blame Chad Bunn.

Hambone

10/16/19 7:37am

whatever happened to Mr. Bunn?

TwoHourBlock

10/16/19 8:17am

Self imposed limitations & the increased arms race of College football in which BYU isnt willing to keep up.

10/16/19 7:37am

We thought we had a power program, but really we had an all-time coach who caught fire for about 15 years (77-91)..

SpiffCoug

10/16/19 7:55am

This is the real answer.

Elwood Blues

10/16/19 1:29pm

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