3 years is hardly enough data to identify "program" success. It's enough to chart recent trajectory, and that's it.

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Dec 2, 2019
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My last post: Sad reality. BYU is the 3rd best football program in Utah over

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 1:56pm

Bye bye, credibility.

All-American

12/2/19 1:58pm

Facts are tough

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 2:12pm

You should try using them sometime. Your take is nonsensical.

All-American

12/2/19 2:22pm

What about my take was not based in fact?

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 2:27pm

The ones you ignored.

All-American

12/2/19 3:09pm

And yet, Utah State's biggest win the last 3 years is probably over BYU.

Doogal McCougar

12/2/19 2:00pm

Well, you've included an outlier for each team in your calculations

mwcoug

12/2/19 2:00pm

For trends over 3 seasons you can't ignore 1/3 of the data

MikeDitka'sStache

12/2/19 2:02pm

You can if they are outliers

rggee

12/2/19 2:03pm

BYUs worst season ever and USUs best season ever just happened to happen in the

mwcoug

12/2/19 2:30pm

If there was only a way to figure out who was better on the field. That would be

Blueto

12/2/19 2:01pm

BYU over the last 3 years vs Utah, USU: 1-5

MikeDitka'sStache

12/2/19 2:02pm

You know we are 1-2 vs USU over the last 3 years. Right?

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 2:12pm

You know we beat them 42-14 this year. Right?

Blueto

12/2/19 2:30pm

So we are a worse team than Toledo? Yikes

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 2:32pm

Only because it proves your point of view. Why not 10 years? Why not 20?

Blueto

12/2/19 2:43pm

The reason I didn't do it is because I think our team next year will look

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 2:54pm

One season does not a program make (2017 for us, 2018 for USU)

rggee

12/2/19 2:01pm

I think Utah State has been the better team, but they don't have the better

checoug

12/2/19 2:02pm

um, what? No argument about the direction of BYU/Utah programs at the moment, but

Bob Vance

12/2/19 2:09pm

Over the past 3 years they have been better than BYU

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 2:17pm

3 years is hardly enough data to identify "program" success. It's enough to chart recent trajectory, and that's it.

Bob Vance

12/2/19 2:20pm

If you say so. 36+ football games from each side seems like a large

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 2:23pm

Not a single P5 win in three years and USU losses include NMSU, Wyoming

Doogal McCougar

12/2/19 3:01pm

You would have a decent argument if the Sagarin didn't say otherwise

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 3:03pm

It's how BYU established itself in rankings and prestige in pre-independence...

Doogal McCougar

12/2/19 3:11pm

We had one of our worst years in program history, they had their best

Doogal McCougar

12/2/19 2:25pm

Oh, by the way they have a much better coach than BYU does

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 2:21pm

don't know about that. prior history success, sure. Gary has not exactly got a hotly burning trajectory right now

Bob Vance

12/2/19 2:27pm

Remember when we beat them exactly 1 month ago? What was the score?

DieHarder

12/2/19 2:11pm

As I said, over the past 3 football seasons they have been the better team

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 2:19pm

Your post makes it sound like you’re saying we’re the 3rd best program, not the 3rd best program over the past 3 years

DieHarder

12/2/19 2:24pm

Good edit. Much better post

DieHarder

12/2/19 3:01pm

Thanks, it more accurately reflects my intent

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 3:05pm

Utah State is a program that is exactly the function of whatever HC they have. They are like aluminum foil. If there

Bob Vance

12/2/19 2:24pm

And yet despite the fact you gave, they have outperformed BYU and a coach

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 2:29pm

Both programs are going into heavy rebuilds in 2020

donnerstag

12/2/19 2:30pm

College football programs don't rebuild for 3 years

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 2:38pm

Utah State was 6-7, 3-9, and 6-7 prior to last season at 11-2

donnerstag

12/2/19 2:54pm

Yes, USU used to be a horrible program

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 3:00pm

Except that right before USU's 3 year fall they went 11-2, 9-5, 10-4

donnerstag

12/2/19 3:13pm

Your problem is that you only see a successful year in terms of wins/losses on

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 3:26pm

Virginia was 5-7 the 2nd year prior to Bronco taking over

donnerstag

12/2/19 3:49pm

I was on their boards after that season and they were pretty happy

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 5:40pm

Do 4 or 5 years. USU has a nice high and BYU has a nice low tucked into there

BrutustheBrash

12/2/19 2:31pm

I think as long as our current regime is coaching we are more likely to

kimdaddy35

12/2/19 2:35pm

But it also conveniently ignores a change in regime with USU

BrutustheBrash

12/2/19 2:41pm

Gary Andersen is a much more highly regarded coach than Kalani

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