Your number 2 point while correct, he also has a lot of non LDS talent that

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Dec 13, 2019
3:10:19pm

PessimisticCB Contributor

Would not last a day at BYU because of the HCO.

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PessimisticCB

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You guys want to know why BYU isn't winning like they used to?

Backcountry

12/13/19 9:52am

Maybe I'm old school but a free ride scholly, travel, room and board, etc..

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

12/13/19 9:57am

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Cougazul

12/13/19 10:05am

Yeah, I know. But the atmosphere is quite different at BYU.

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

12/13/19 10:07am

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Cougazul

12/13/19 10:08am

True...but, hopefully, their parents do. Listen, winning breeds winning..if BYU

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

12/13/19 10:11am

And how do you expect BYU to win with the current talent level against these

Backcountry

12/13/19 10:12am

Somehow MAFU figured out how to steal recruits..then came Satan Meyer...and

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

12/13/19 10:19am

With creative coaching, besides BYUs talent is fine we

1CougFan

12/13/19 10:58am

With great and creative coaching.

BYU313

12/13/19 12:03pm

Yes. They do. That’s why colleges are building these massive football facilities

PessimisticCB

12/13/19 10:12am

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Cougazul

12/13/19 10:15am

Okay kids do care about that atmosphere too.

PessimisticCB

12/13/19 10:22am

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Cougazul

12/13/19 10:35am

Well they do, but most don’t care for the BYU atmosphere.

CoachSpeak

12/13/19 11:01pm

Dr Bob couldn’t get is nephew to come here. Let that sink in.

PessimisticCB

12/13/19 9:57am

Not the only BYU employee whose kid chose another school either.

Backcountry

12/13/19 10:01am

Your timeline is wrong. His nephew was committed to BYU when Anae was here.

More of a Jazz Fan

12/13/19 10:49am

Yes and no. Anae never committed to BYU, but you're right that he committed to

Scratch

12/13/19 10:54am

He was never committed to BYU.

PessimisticCB

12/13/19 11:07am

This is a result from BYU’s poor results, not a primary reason.

Zedhead

12/13/19 9:58am

Absolute fallacy

Backcountry

12/13/19 10:01am

Agreed. Utah started beating us regularly while in the MWC. Combine that

chazen

12/13/19 4:01pm

The way honor code was enforced and academics were different a decade ago. Also

PessimisticCB

12/13/19 9:59am

You're right, people could anonymously target athletes 10 years ago minus proof

stansburycoug

12/13/19 10:17am

That pretty much nails it.

kotacoug

12/13/19 9:59am

I don't disagree with your point necessarily but Francis Bernard? Yes he

acougfan

12/13/19 9:59am

I might even say that BYU put Francis on the football map. Nobody else really

Benfica1

12/13/19 10:05am

Even if you take Francis off, still so many other names

DieHarder

12/13/19 10:07am

no doubt.

Benfica1

12/13/19 10:16am

For sure ... way too many

acougfan

12/13/19 11:15am

Agree. The only pitch is if someone is really really into the church

cougfanz

12/13/19 9:59am

I agree 100%. And that's part of the reason why I think it's silly to bash

Backcountry

12/13/19 10:04am

What’s silly is you’re making all these excuses for Kalani that you refused to

ldssdl

12/13/19 10:30am

You're such a drama queen.

GigantorCat

12/13/19 12:10pm

Im right

Backcountry

12/13/19 10:53pm

What is the difference between Bronco and KS? Bronco is a winner. Lame excuse.

coolblue

12/13/19 12:10pm

RE: What is the difference between Bronco and KS? Bronco is a winner. Lame

Backcountry

12/13/19 10:54pm

It's not even that, here is why

BigYfan

12/13/19 10:00am

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Cougazul

12/13/19 10:07am

All programs that recruit similarly to BYU. The difference between BYU and those

Backcountry

12/13/19 10:08am

Sitake, Tuiaki, Lamb

BigYfan

12/13/19 10:08am

Right then if they could schedule one or two P5s and

1CougFan

12/13/19 11:02am

The Utah matchup used to favor BYU and USU was a cupcake.

Doogal McCougar

12/13/19 11:35am

But, but, but I was told on CB that Utah's success didn't affect BYU

DirtyWater

12/13/19 10:01am

I'm impressed with your dedication.

Benfica1

12/13/19 10:02am

I’d like to see him list those BYU got. And compare their output.

StalwartBraveTrue

12/13/19 2:21pm

Doesn't fit the narrative many are trying to paint. That said, it is important

Benfica1

12/13/19 2:25pm

Agreed. 8-5 is bigger reason for recruiting decline than anything else.

StalwartBraveTrue

12/13/19 10:20pm

None of them have been in my kitchen.

Pistol Shrimp

12/13/19 10:04am

I want to thumbs down this post but I can’t 🙁

DieHarder

12/13/19 10:08am

RE: I want to thumbs down this post but I can’t 🙁

JohnnyComeLately

12/13/19 10:15am

Who was the last decently rated in-state, non-LDS kid who chose to go to BYU?

HBCoug

12/13/19 10:14am

Like I said, we never did, nor will we get them all. But we could have done

Backcountry

12/13/19 10:18am

Because Utah joined the Pac-12 and BYU didn't.

SoCalCoug

12/13/19 10:17am

This is right. BYU losing recruits has much more to do with BYU not being in a

Scratch

12/13/19 10:33am

Thats actually a good point

Backcountry

12/13/19 10:34am

LOL half those guys had non-commitable offers to BYU.

Mr. Scoobs

12/13/19 10:24am

In all fairness. Bernard did come to BYU. Don’t think he belongs on list.

Soupie

12/13/19 10:32am

Utah will always be better at recruiting the kids who threaten to kill their landlords

DieHarder

12/13/19 10:42am

You need to take some of those names off your list and qualify what matters

stansburycoug

12/13/19 10:39am

RE: You need to take some of those names off your list and qualify what matters

CougarPower1875

9/16/21 1:33pm

I was thinking that first list was guys from your favorite team? Had to read the

goofball

12/13/19 10:40am

BYU is still a great university with a good football program

BYU Fan

12/13/19 10:48am

ask ten LDS highschool kids in Salt Lake County how they feel about BYU football

run26

12/13/19 12:12pm

Absolutely. The only thing that will save the program from irrelevance

HONOMO

12/13/19 12:37pm

Post of the Year!

AingeEraCoug

12/13/19 12:43pm

Taylor Katoa may be the only kid that 100% is not at BYU due to Conference

stansburycoug

12/13/19 1:28pm

My response

AingeEraCoug

12/13/19 3:00pm

Your number 2 point while correct, he also has a lot of non LDS talent that

PessimisticCB

12/13/19 3:10pm

I don't think that hurts BYU

AingeEraCoug

12/13/19 4:11pm

Not a character reference with Mika

stansburycoug

12/13/19 3:42pm

But what was the motivation?

AingeEraCoug

12/13/19 4:23pm

RE: But what was the motivation?

stansburycoug

12/13/19 7:37pm

Final Comment

AingeEraCoug

12/13/19 8:39pm

Save the original poster? That's s stupid comment. Of course I want BYU to

Backcountry

12/14/19 9:18am

My apologies

stansburycoug

12/14/19 3:44pm

In this case your Ute friends are correct.

Backcountry

12/14/19 3:45pm

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

crazY

12/14/19 4:44pm

I don’t like to minimize the Francis Bernard situation...

CoachSpeak

12/14/19 12:16pm

Dont forget the part about him threatening to murder a dude.

Backcountry

12/14/19 12:25pm

If anything he didn’t belong at BYU from the beginning...

CoachSpeak

12/14/19 12:43pm

Okay, Captain Obvious. So what next?

StalwartBraveTrue

12/13/19 2:18pm

I don't think it's obvious to most. Most on here are in denial.

HONOMO

12/14/19 7:18pm

They've all gone lower in the draft than a BYU player?

Shore10

12/13/19 3:48pm

Completely disagree on your last point. Other things are great points

Coug Dude

12/13/19 11:12pm

Update. Andrew Gentry added.

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