It’s very difficult to reason with people whose arguments aren’t based in logic

Jan 4, 2020
3:12:21pm

chilango All-American

or science but rather in emotion, desire, belief/faith, etc. This is true whether your discussion is about vaccinations or any one of many topics: immigration, trade, religion, climate change, sports, and so forth.

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Anyone have success in talking to anti-vaxxers? A cousin of mine and his wife are really struggling because his wife

indocoug All-American

1/4/20 2:50pm

“Anyone have any success talking someone out of being stupid?”

IGlowInTheDark

1/4/20 2:59pm

Taking to them, no, coughing on them, absolutely

USMCdad

1/4/20 2:59pm

It's too bad she's already pregnant because if kids weren't involved that level of crazy would be grounds for divorce

Slim

1/4/20 3:01pm

Absolutely correct

Mrs Featerbottom

1/4/20 4:04pm

You would really divorce your wife if she was against vaccinating?

indocoug

1/4/20 4:46pm

Absolutely I would. It would be an indication that she is unintelligent and unreasonable and I wouldn't want to stay

Slim

1/4/20 4:58pm

If I had didn’t have kids, it’d be almost automatic

Mrs Featerbottom

1/4/20 5:26pm

Never met one in real life.

JuicyJam

1/4/20 3:02pm

Show them the pictures of rooms full of people who lived in

lightmann

1/4/20 3:02pm

My sister is not an anti vaxxer however one of her children directly after his

DJROSS

1/4/20 3:03pm

Oh wow, you really think the MMR shot caused the autism? Wow.

jdub

1/4/20 3:09pm

Coincidence? Definitely.

Slim

1/4/20 3:09pm

“Not an anti-Vaxxer but...I’ll just throw out a vaccine autism connection”

TCuz

1/4/20 3:10pm

And a severe form to boot!

HingleMcCringleberry

1/4/20 3:15pm

You're probably more likely to have an averse reaction to driving to appointment

Belboz

1/4/20 3:11pm

“Cure most”? Even if you think the shot caused the autism,

garyfan

1/4/20 3:12pm

No because obviously he's been vaccinated against it. I'm saying that in rare

DJROSS

1/4/20 4:32pm

Wait for what? Experts to study this in-depth?

Martin Van Nostrand

1/4/20 4:36pm

Just stop. There is ZERO evidence that vaccines cause autism, or trigger autism, or have ANYTHING to do with autism

Clark Addison

1/4/20 10:22pm

We know more now! Please take thebti.e to watch thos whole thing and share with.

CarolinaCoug

1/4/20 11:05pm

So was it genetics or the shot?? Or just genetics??

LakeshowCougs

1/4/20 3:13pm

RE: My sister is not an anti vaxxer however one of her children directly after his

monkeycowboy

1/4/20 3:14pm

Study after study has failed to show any causal link between vaccinations and autism.

durandal

1/4/20 3:26pm

There is a steo ger correlation with vaccinees and car accidents.

CarolinaCoug

1/4/20 11:06pm

You should publish the results of your findings about your nephew.

ditch

1/4/20 3:27pm

Correlation does not equal causation.

Dread Pirate Westley

1/4/20 4:29pm

So his severe autism came on all of a sudden? That's hilarious.

kccougar

1/4/20 4:48pm

He caught it..at around age 2 or 3 ...like the others...

CarolinaCoug

1/4/20 11:07pm

Repeating stories like this feeds the problem

spinner

1/4/20 6:49pm

Can the husband just sneak the baby to the doctor?

cougarblue

1/4/20 3:07pm

My thought as well. I think I might try this if my wife stopped vaccinating

cougsareforreal

1/4/20 3:41pm

Teach them about natural selection.

Big Time 55

1/4/20 3:09pm

if only it were that simple. If enough people do this, it invalidates everyone's

Cougarclaw

1/4/20 3:16pm

No. Just have him take the kids to the pediatrician and get the vaccines.

cougfanz

1/4/20 3:11pm

It’s very difficult to reason with people whose arguments aren’t based in logic

chilango

1/4/20 3:12pm

Some parents are just overwhelmed by it all. They are afraid. It's kind of like

777

1/4/20 3:13pm

I wouldnt worry about it. Its not your place.

Backcountry

1/4/20 3:14pm

Problem is it is not only the unvaccinated that suffer

mobius

1/4/20 3:29pm

True story. We were directly impacted by anti-vax cousins who contracted measles.

jdub

1/4/20 3:35pm

Glad it worked out for you. It really does affect other people.

DirtyWater

1/4/20 3:37pm

Fair enough. Interaction with their family should be conditional upon

Backcountry

1/4/20 3:40pm

It's sort of your family. Doing nothing helps nobody and causes harm more

Linkcoug

1/4/20 10:03pm

Family trip to Samoa?

PaxDog

1/4/20 3:15pm

Try watching Behind the Curve on Netflix. It’s about flat earthers, but I think you can learn a lot about how to talk to

scootsy

1/4/20 3:16pm

RE: Anyone have success in talking to anti-vaxxers? A cousin of mine and his wife are really struggling because his

monkeycowboy

1/4/20 3:18pm

I worked with a dental assistant that was hard core anti vaxxer anti fluoride

doubled1981

1/4/20 3:24pm

I think a big part is acknowledging and validating their concerns. There ARE adverse side effects to vaccinations.

durandal

1/4/20 3:31pm

Who is saying “vaccine are safe, no risks”?

SJS

1/4/20 3:32pm

I think the point he's making is to acknowledge their concerns with some

777

1/4/20 3:46pm

Exactly.

durandal

1/4/20 3:50pm

Hopefully nobody. But that is often the perception people who are opposed to vaccines have.

durandal

1/4/20 3:49pm

True, however it is very clear at this point autism is not one of those risks

mobius

1/4/20 3:34pm

There's a LOT we still don't know about autism.

DirtyWater

1/4/20 3:42pm

True. But I think if you come out swinging that bat, the discussion will be over pretty shortly.

durandal

1/4/20 3:51pm

Let me use an analogy here:

jdub

1/4/20 3:45pm

It's a tough issue because it involves individual freedom vs. greater good

DirtyWater

1/4/20 3:33pm

It’s not individual freedom or “choosing for themselves” when it’s the baby/kid

cougfanz

1/4/20 3:36pm

Throw parental rights on the pile of issues. It's a tough problem for sure.

DirtyWater

1/4/20 3:39pm

It's absolutely their right to decide what or what not to inject into their

777

1/4/20 3:54pm

stealth

1/5/20 12:20pm

Then it's fine for everyone else to decide that the unvaccinated child is not

Scratch

1/4/20 8:10pm

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Uncle Bluto

1/4/20 3:36pm

These people tend to be conspiracy minded, so just say, "if a foreign power

vegasnative

1/4/20 3:49pm

I’m convinced many anti-vaxxers underestimate the prevalence diseases.

Reasonable1

1/4/20 4:00pm

In our country, most anti-vaxxers' kids don't get sick, so.....

DirtyWater

1/4/20 4:16pm

I recently read that many scientists are on the autism spectrum and this allows

Dread Pirate Westley

1/4/20 4:36pm

This is the single greatest response I've ever heard on this issue.

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