Way too many people confuse pessimism with realism.

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Jan 29, 2020
2:13:41pm

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You are being pessimistic. That's it.

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More BYU vs Stanford

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

1/29/20 10:34am

Looks at the fine print, remembers Notre Dame.

AD4

1/29/20 10:35am

Agreed. The games at BYU being after the games at Stanford scares me.

SG Blue

1/29/20 10:37am

Now they sign with us and espn, I don’t thing they are going to pass on

travelcoug

1/29/20 11:59am

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East1999

1/29/20 10:38am

Well there ya go. This will be a 4-2

Backcountry

1/29/20 10:46am

Or a 4-1

yakkamole

1/29/20 11:20am

Another Holmoe fail

Backcountry

1/29/20 11:40am

RE: Another Holmoe fail

WHO DEY

1/29/20 1:22pm

I saw a 5 for BYU 4 four Stanford

travelcoug

1/29/20 12:00pm

Do you think that an open ended contract with notre dame without an espn

travelcoug

1/29/20 12:03pm

Notre Dame is also a weird situation because BYU and Notre Dame reportedly

Scratch

1/29/20 12:17pm

If I’m not mistaken, the Notre Dame series

travelcoug

1/29/20 5:01pm

The Notre Dame series was announced after BYU announced it was going Indy and on

Scratch

1/29/20 5:09pm

Hopefully the lawyers have learned from the ND debacle.

Dangerous

1/29/20 10:40am

BYU needed the momentum from ND series.

Big Time 55

1/29/20 10:45am

What do you mean? I’m not aware that the ND series played a role with going Indy

Pierre Delecto

1/29/20 1:34pm

Obviously they didn't go indy because they got the contract.

Big Time 55

1/29/20 8:16pm

Looks to me like 5 at Stanford, 1 in Provo. Then the stalling begins.

TailgateU

1/29/20 11:40am

yea I am sure Stanford is scared to come to Provo..like Washington was. Geez

Swishfromdeep3

1/29/20 12:12pm

What are the chances we get 3 straight games in Provo 🧐

Pretorian

1/29/20 1:20pm

ND status is the same as Stanford will be...

TailgateU

1/30/20 9:07am

That’s where my money is

Pretorian

1/30/20 10:48am

Yeah... Looks very suspicious to me..too front loaded away

Borg

1/29/20 12:01pm

Stanford's attendance has been awful. Playing BYU should help with that.

Dangerous

1/29/20 10:36am

After having been to a few Stanford football games over the last few seasons,

YoungOne

1/29/20 12:21pm

Two of the added games are in November.

Dangerous

1/29/20 10:36am

Excellent, I guess the boycotting of BYU is truly in the past.

BYU71

1/29/20 10:37am

Don't be too sure

TNT

1/29/20 10:38am

Yep, that is why I used the word "maybe".

BYU71

1/29/20 10:39am

Notice they aren't playing in Provo. Expect those to cancel.

Archaea

1/29/20 10:39am

Stanford won't be canceling season openers with enormous buyouts. Settle down.

mulletino

1/29/20 10:40am

Stanford can afford anything but I see your point IFF the buyouts are large

Archaea

1/29/20 10:44am

Honestly though, who knows what college football will like in 5 years with

BYUheaven

1/29/20 10:44am

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East1999

1/29/20 11:08am

Link to no buyout fees? Common sense.

mulletino

1/29/20 11:18am

Yep. There will be big buyout fees for both teams. The exception being

LiveCoug

1/29/20 11:22am

Buyouts for FBS games are pretty standard, generally between 1-1.5M per game.

Scratch

1/29/20 11:28am

BYU has no pressure to sign these games 5+ years out, that pinch we were in is

Pretorian

1/29/20 1:26pm

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East1999

1/29/20 11:33am

No, just common sense. LiveCoug alluded to what led me to this common sense.

mulletino

1/29/20 11:38am

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East1999

1/29/20 11:41am

Possible. Very improbable. Not sure why they'd vary from standard contract language especially

mulletino

1/29/20 11:45am

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East1999

1/29/20 12:16pm

How do you know ND hasn't paid?

Lance71

1/29/20 1:17pm

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East1999

1/29/20 1:22pm

Common sense extrapolated from every contract that has been made public.

mulletino

1/29/20 1:58pm

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East1999

1/29/20 2:07pm

Wat?

mulletino

1/29/20 2:10pm

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East1999

1/29/20 2:38pm

One typically uses reason based on past experience and (in)consistencies. I'll stick with my gut on this one.

mulletino

1/29/20 2:46pm

Did ND ever pay its buyout fees? BYU often negotiates crappy contracts.

Archaea

1/29/20 2:17pm

No idea.

mulletino

1/29/20 2:20pm

My suspicion is, if ND had paid, we'd know, so we should assume, BYU

Archaea

1/29/20 2:47pm

That's my assumption as well but didn't want to draw a logical conclusion and have East1999 burn my house down.

mulletino

1/29/20 3:09pm

BYU and The Church have always been really strict about sticking to contracts.

Lance71

1/29/20 3:11pm

BYU doesn't owe ND anything. It's the other way around.

mulletino

1/29/20 3:13pm

*If this is true than no, ND has not paid BYU anything whatsoever...

Zach Morris

2/4/20 1:19pm

A potential 4 for 1 series

kmcougar

1/29/20 10:46am

Stanford doesn't have the money to do that.

kccougar

1/29/20 1:52pm

Yes they do. They have an endowment of at least $500 million just for athletics.

Blue Cat

1/29/20 2:15pm

I don’t trust the heavy back end deals with p5s

cougfanz

1/29/20 10:42am

What could go wrong?

Big Time 55

1/29/20 11:07am

Doubt it is. pR move by BYU but obviously very unlikely

cougfanz

1/29/20 11:44am

I wish Holmoe would only schedule 1 away before 1 home is agreed to, etc.

Hinta

1/29/20 10:42am

Ugh... Independence. Who schedules these crappy games?

Ned Schneebly

1/29/20 10:42am

Teams are starting to see BYU as an easy win.

Big Time 55

1/29/20 10:44am

Yep, just ask USC, Tennessee, and Wisconsin.

Dangerous

1/29/20 10:45am

And then look at our loses over the same seasons.

Big Time 55

1/29/20 10:46am

Agree, however it is the G5 losses that are hurting the program right now.

Dangerous

1/29/20 11:02am

We win about 50% versus *non-Utah* P5 since independence.

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 1:13pm

And the more we schedule them, the more losses we'll accrue and the worse we get

TailgateU

1/29/20 11:42am

* MAC teams

The Chelsea Dagger

1/29/20 1:36pm

I'll be almost 75 in 2035.

Blue Heart

1/29/20 10:45am

so.. you're going then?

Saxa

1/29/20 11:01am

Are the games in the afternoon?

AZcougLawyer

1/29/20 1:09pm

Geeze. Thats cool

Backcountry

1/29/20 10:46am

Yeah, four out of the first five at Stanford is garbage

Coop

1/29/20 11:04am

Impossible, PAC12 doesn't allow OOC games in November.

rggee

1/29/20 11:05am

Didn't we play the Utes in November in 2018? I guess OOC games in Nov are OK

Go_Trojans

1/29/20 11:30am

The P12 allows them when needed to balance out schedules caused by USC and

Scratch

1/29/20 11:35am

ND has finished *every* season in CA v. Stanford or USC since 1999

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 1:29pm

uummm Stanford has ended the year against Notre Dame many times

Swishfromdeep3

1/29/20 12:14pm

RE: uummm Stanford has ended the year against Notre Dame many times

rggee

1/29/20 12:18pm

Last 3 in Provo probably in case BYU is left behind/dropped a division or drops football completely

TEXAS

1/29/20 11:32am

I really don’t care a whole lot about 2035 in 2020.

HoustonBlueCougar

1/29/20 12:27pm

What did Tom Holmoe learn from the Notre Dame fiasco? Nothing?

COACHdrn

1/29/20 12:39pm

He'll be retired before Stanford cancels. That's probably in the contract.

frontrowcougar

1/29/20 12:40pm

Love it. We finish the season at Stanford or USC from '20-'23, '26, '28

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 1:19pm

Looks like Holmoe didn't learn

Huge Manatee

1/29/20 1:38pm

This contract sucks. Thanks Teflon Tom. 4-1 is a terrible deal. There is no

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 1:40pm

JEFE! WE NEED THAT EYE ROLL EMOJI!

LiveCoug

1/29/20 1:55pm

Are you excited about a 4-1? We won't get those last 3 home games without

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 1:59pm

Lol. That is just straight up pessimism from you.

LiveCoug

1/29/20 2:01pm

Nah, it's realism. Do you honestly believe any P5 program would sit down and

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 2:03pm

Perhaps we focus too much on whether BYU is P5 or not...and overlook

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 2:05pm

I'm not talking about BYU not being P5. I'm saying stanford won't come to our

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 2:12pm

Again, perhaps we focus too much on whether BYU is P5

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 2:13pm

Again, I didn't mention that at all

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 2:14pm

Way too many people confuse pessimism with realism.

LiveCoug

1/29/20 2:13pm

I don't buy this. Most of BYU's H-H contracts have had the Provo game last.

Scratch

1/29/20 2:06pm

A home and home starting at the other team's stadium isn't concerning. A deal

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 2:10pm

Again, besides your pessimism, there is no precedent that that's going to

LiveCoug

1/29/20 2:26pm

Lol, whatever dude. We've seen Holmoe sign plenty of questionable to bad deals.

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 2:38pm

RE: Lol, whatever dude. We've seen Holmoe sign plenty of questionable to bad

LiveCoug

1/29/20 2:44pm

How is the Arizona deal garbage? That is a GREAT deal for BYU's fans.

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 3:07pm

It's a lopsided deal.. arizona gets more home games, and this more money from

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 3:11pm

BYU got lots of $$ from the game in Phoenix. Will get $$ from Las Vegas game

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 3:39pm

Wrong. Both are lopsided against us.

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 3:41pm

Since you seem to be focused on attendance BYU will double Arizona fans in Vegas

Lance71

1/29/20 5:05pm

I'm excited for 4 BYU v. Stanford games over Thanksgiving weekend

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 2:03pm

We would have very exciting names on our schedule every week if we agreed

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 2:07pm

We have quality future schedules. BYU v. Stanford games in November are good.

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 2:18pm

We've actually agreed to play 4 away and 4 at home. That's the agreement

LiveCoug

1/29/20 2:27pm

I'm sure Holmoe got what he could get. it's like Reagan said: If you can't get

gingi

1/29/20 2:07pm

He's giving up 4 loaves to get 1 and maybe get a few in the future.

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 2:08pm

You don't 'give up' what you can't get. He took the slices he could get and is

gingi

1/29/20 4:00pm

Will I still be alive in 2035? Geesh that's a long ways away.

Boomcannon

1/29/20 2:07pm

What a strage reaction by CB. 4 for 4 series with several of the games in

Lance71

1/29/20 3:20pm

P5 comparison and too much focus on Notre Dame scenario.

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 3:41pm

SMOKE!!!

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