Lol, whatever dude. We've seen Holmoe sign plenty of questionable to bad deals.

Jan 29, 2020
2:38:36pm

OlanchoCoug Playmaker

ND blew up in our face. The Arizona deal is garbage. This deal strongly favors Stanford. It's not pessimism. Holmoe just bends over and gives up lopsided contract terms far too often.

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More BYU vs Stanford

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

1/29/20 10:34am

Looks at the fine print, remembers Notre Dame.

AD4

1/29/20 10:35am

Agreed. The games at BYU being after the games at Stanford scares me.

SG Blue

1/29/20 10:37am

Now they sign with us and espn, I don’t thing they are going to pass on

travelcoug

1/29/20 11:59am

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East1999

1/29/20 10:38am

Well there ya go. This will be a 4-2

Backcountry

1/29/20 10:46am

Or a 4-1

yakkamole

1/29/20 11:20am

Another Holmoe fail

Backcountry

1/29/20 11:40am

RE: Another Holmoe fail

WHO DEY

1/29/20 1:22pm

I saw a 5 for BYU 4 four Stanford

travelcoug

1/29/20 12:00pm

Do you think that an open ended contract with notre dame without an espn

travelcoug

1/29/20 12:03pm

Notre Dame is also a weird situation because BYU and Notre Dame reportedly

Scratch

1/29/20 12:17pm

If I’m not mistaken, the Notre Dame series

travelcoug

1/29/20 5:01pm

The Notre Dame series was announced after BYU announced it was going Indy and on

Scratch

1/29/20 5:09pm

Hopefully the lawyers have learned from the ND debacle.

Dangerous

1/29/20 10:40am

BYU needed the momentum from ND series.

Big Time 55

1/29/20 10:45am

What do you mean? I’m not aware that the ND series played a role with going Indy

Pierre Delecto

1/29/20 1:34pm

Obviously they didn't go indy because they got the contract.

Big Time 55

1/29/20 8:16pm

Looks to me like 5 at Stanford, 1 in Provo. Then the stalling begins.

TailgateU

1/29/20 11:40am

yea I am sure Stanford is scared to come to Provo..like Washington was. Geez

Swishfromdeep3

1/29/20 12:12pm

What are the chances we get 3 straight games in Provo 🧐

Pretorian

1/29/20 1:20pm

ND status is the same as Stanford will be...

TailgateU

1/30/20 9:07am

That’s where my money is

Pretorian

1/30/20 10:48am

Yeah... Looks very suspicious to me..too front loaded away

Borg

1/29/20 12:01pm

Stanford's attendance has been awful. Playing BYU should help with that.

Dangerous

1/29/20 10:36am

After having been to a few Stanford football games over the last few seasons,

YoungOne

1/29/20 12:21pm

Two of the added games are in November.

Dangerous

1/29/20 10:36am

Excellent, I guess the boycotting of BYU is truly in the past.

BYU71

1/29/20 10:37am

Don't be too sure

TNT

1/29/20 10:38am

Yep, that is why I used the word "maybe".

BYU71

1/29/20 10:39am

Notice they aren't playing in Provo. Expect those to cancel.

Archaea

1/29/20 10:39am

Stanford won't be canceling season openers with enormous buyouts. Settle down.

mulletino

1/29/20 10:40am

Stanford can afford anything but I see your point IFF the buyouts are large

Archaea

1/29/20 10:44am

Honestly though, who knows what college football will like in 5 years with

BYUheaven

1/29/20 10:44am

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East1999

1/29/20 11:08am

Link to no buyout fees? Common sense.

mulletino

1/29/20 11:18am

Yep. There will be big buyout fees for both teams. The exception being

LiveCoug

1/29/20 11:22am

Buyouts for FBS games are pretty standard, generally between 1-1.5M per game.

Scratch

1/29/20 11:28am

BYU has no pressure to sign these games 5+ years out, that pinch we were in is

Pretorian

1/29/20 1:26pm

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East1999

1/29/20 11:33am

No, just common sense. LiveCoug alluded to what led me to this common sense.

mulletino

1/29/20 11:38am

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East1999

1/29/20 11:41am

Possible. Very improbable. Not sure why they'd vary from standard contract language especially

mulletino

1/29/20 11:45am

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East1999

1/29/20 12:16pm

How do you know ND hasn't paid?

Lance71

1/29/20 1:17pm

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East1999

1/29/20 1:22pm

Common sense extrapolated from every contract that has been made public.

mulletino

1/29/20 1:58pm

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East1999

1/29/20 2:07pm

Wat?

mulletino

1/29/20 2:10pm

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East1999

1/29/20 2:38pm

One typically uses reason based on past experience and (in)consistencies. I'll stick with my gut on this one.

mulletino

1/29/20 2:46pm

Did ND ever pay its buyout fees? BYU often negotiates crappy contracts.

Archaea

1/29/20 2:17pm

No idea.

mulletino

1/29/20 2:20pm

My suspicion is, if ND had paid, we'd know, so we should assume, BYU

Archaea

1/29/20 2:47pm

That's my assumption as well but didn't want to draw a logical conclusion and have East1999 burn my house down.

mulletino

1/29/20 3:09pm

BYU and The Church have always been really strict about sticking to contracts.

Lance71

1/29/20 3:11pm

BYU doesn't owe ND anything. It's the other way around.

mulletino

1/29/20 3:13pm

*If this is true than no, ND has not paid BYU anything whatsoever...

Zach Morris

2/4/20 1:19pm

A potential 4 for 1 series

kmcougar

1/29/20 10:46am

Stanford doesn't have the money to do that.

kccougar

1/29/20 1:52pm

Yes they do. They have an endowment of at least $500 million just for athletics.

Blue Cat

1/29/20 2:15pm

I don’t trust the heavy back end deals with p5s

cougfanz

1/29/20 10:42am

What could go wrong?

Big Time 55

1/29/20 11:07am

Doubt it is. pR move by BYU but obviously very unlikely

cougfanz

1/29/20 11:44am

I wish Holmoe would only schedule 1 away before 1 home is agreed to, etc.

Hinta

1/29/20 10:42am

Ugh... Independence. Who schedules these crappy games?

Ned Schneebly

1/29/20 10:42am

Teams are starting to see BYU as an easy win.

Big Time 55

1/29/20 10:44am

Yep, just ask USC, Tennessee, and Wisconsin.

Dangerous

1/29/20 10:45am

And then look at our loses over the same seasons.

Big Time 55

1/29/20 10:46am

Agree, however it is the G5 losses that are hurting the program right now.

Dangerous

1/29/20 11:02am

We win about 50% versus *non-Utah* P5 since independence.

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 1:13pm

And the more we schedule them, the more losses we'll accrue and the worse we get

TailgateU

1/29/20 11:42am

* MAC teams

The Chelsea Dagger

1/29/20 1:36pm

I'll be almost 75 in 2035.

Blue Heart

1/29/20 10:45am

so.. you're going then?

Saxa

1/29/20 11:01am

Are the games in the afternoon?

AZcougLawyer

1/29/20 1:09pm

Geeze. Thats cool

Backcountry

1/29/20 10:46am

Yeah, four out of the first five at Stanford is garbage

Coop

1/29/20 11:04am

Impossible, PAC12 doesn't allow OOC games in November.

rggee

1/29/20 11:05am

Didn't we play the Utes in November in 2018? I guess OOC games in Nov are OK

Go_Trojans

1/29/20 11:30am

The P12 allows them when needed to balance out schedules caused by USC and

Scratch

1/29/20 11:35am

ND has finished *every* season in CA v. Stanford or USC since 1999

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 1:29pm

uummm Stanford has ended the year against Notre Dame many times

Swishfromdeep3

1/29/20 12:14pm

RE: uummm Stanford has ended the year against Notre Dame many times

rggee

1/29/20 12:18pm

Last 3 in Provo probably in case BYU is left behind/dropped a division or drops football completely

TEXAS

1/29/20 11:32am

I really don’t care a whole lot about 2035 in 2020.

HoustonBlueCougar

1/29/20 12:27pm

What did Tom Holmoe learn from the Notre Dame fiasco? Nothing?

COACHdrn

1/29/20 12:39pm

He'll be retired before Stanford cancels. That's probably in the contract.

frontrowcougar

1/29/20 12:40pm

Love it. We finish the season at Stanford or USC from '20-'23, '26, '28

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 1:19pm

Looks like Holmoe didn't learn

Huge Manatee

1/29/20 1:38pm

This contract sucks. Thanks Teflon Tom. 4-1 is a terrible deal. There is no

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 1:40pm

JEFE! WE NEED THAT EYE ROLL EMOJI!

LiveCoug

1/29/20 1:55pm

Are you excited about a 4-1? We won't get those last 3 home games without

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 1:59pm

Lol. That is just straight up pessimism from you.

LiveCoug

1/29/20 2:01pm

Nah, it's realism. Do you honestly believe any P5 program would sit down and

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 2:03pm

Perhaps we focus too much on whether BYU is P5 or not...and overlook

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 2:05pm

I'm not talking about BYU not being P5. I'm saying stanford won't come to our

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 2:12pm

Again, perhaps we focus too much on whether BYU is P5

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 2:13pm

Again, I didn't mention that at all

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 2:14pm

Way too many people confuse pessimism with realism.

LiveCoug

1/29/20 2:13pm

I don't buy this. Most of BYU's H-H contracts have had the Provo game last.

Scratch

1/29/20 2:06pm

A home and home starting at the other team's stadium isn't concerning. A deal

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 2:10pm

Again, besides your pessimism, there is no precedent that that's going to

LiveCoug

1/29/20 2:26pm

Lol, whatever dude. We've seen Holmoe sign plenty of questionable to bad deals.

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 2:38pm

RE: Lol, whatever dude. We've seen Holmoe sign plenty of questionable to bad

LiveCoug

1/29/20 2:44pm

How is the Arizona deal garbage? That is a GREAT deal for BYU's fans.

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 3:07pm

It's a lopsided deal.. arizona gets more home games, and this more money from

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 3:11pm

BYU got lots of $$ from the game in Phoenix. Will get $$ from Las Vegas game

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 3:39pm

Wrong. Both are lopsided against us.

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 3:41pm

Since you seem to be focused on attendance BYU will double Arizona fans in Vegas

Lance71

1/29/20 5:05pm

I'm excited for 4 BYU v. Stanford games over Thanksgiving weekend

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 2:03pm

We would have very exciting names on our schedule every week if we agreed

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 2:07pm

We have quality future schedules. BYU v. Stanford games in November are good.

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 2:18pm

We've actually agreed to play 4 away and 4 at home. That's the agreement

LiveCoug

1/29/20 2:27pm

I'm sure Holmoe got what he could get. it's like Reagan said: If you can't get

gingi

1/29/20 2:07pm

He's giving up 4 loaves to get 1 and maybe get a few in the future.

OlanchoCoug

1/29/20 2:08pm

You don't 'give up' what you can't get. He took the slices he could get and is

gingi

1/29/20 4:00pm

Will I still be alive in 2035? Geesh that's a long ways away.

Boomcannon

1/29/20 2:07pm

What a strage reaction by CB. 4 for 4 series with several of the games in

Lance71

1/29/20 3:20pm

P5 comparison and too much focus on Notre Dame scenario.

Doogal McCougar

1/29/20 3:41pm

SMOKE!!!

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