I thought all lives were of equal value? Apparently not. People are fine with

Mar 30, 2020
11:05:18pm

Kerbouchard Intervention Needed

not shutting down the country to minimize flu deaths. Are those people's lives not worth as much as the people's lives being saved by shutting the country down now?

Death is death, is it not?

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2018 flu season: 900,000 hospitalizations. 80,000 deaths.

Harbinger

3/30/20 10:02pm

The difference is we have antibodies for the flu.

VACOUGFAN

3/30/20 10:05pm

I am not on any side here, but honestly curious. If we have antibodies for the flu, why do 80,000 still die?

RoaroftheCougartails

3/30/20 10:15pm

And millions extremely sick.

777

3/30/20 10:20pm

Anti-vaxxers, for one.

BYUBandfan

3/30/20 10:42pm

Because apparently those lives aren't worth saving.

Kerbouchard

3/30/20 11:06pm

That is some really poor reasoning. I guess it is par for the course.

kimdaddy35

3/30/20 11:42pm

They don't take the flu serious, and wash their hands enough and...

So it goes...

3/31/20 12:29am

Real answer- the flu shot covers what the believe will be the most prevalent

SouthernBlueBlood

3/31/20 4:33am

I thought all lives were of equal value? Apparently not. People are fine with

Kerbouchard

3/30/20 11:05pm

Yes, a death is a death. But 100 deaths is not 1 death. Every single person with

Scratch

3/30/20 11:19pm

Drastic measures for how long? Where? By what criteria?

Kerbouchard

3/30/20 11:26pm

I’m not saying all of the measures are necessary, and I believe some are

Scratch

3/30/20 11:39pm

The flu varies each year which is why a flu shot is developed and administered.

PortlandBlue

3/31/20 3:35am

So that makes 900k hospitalizations easy enough for the system to handle?

Harbinger

3/31/20 6:41am

Do those 900k hospitalizations all require ventilators?

VACOUGFAN

3/31/20 7:01am

We haven't and won't have 900k hospitalizations in 6 weeks and not even

Harbinger

3/31/20 8:41am

These posts are getting old.

kimdaddy35

3/30/20 10:05pm

So is the shutdown.

Superman21

3/30/20 10:18pm

Facts are pesky things.

Samsonite

3/30/20 10:25pm

RE: Facts are pesky things.

coolcats

3/31/20 6:23am

Not at all. Politicians trying to one up each other, making policies that

Kerbouchard

3/30/20 11:08pm

Not based on data?

Scratch

3/30/20 11:19pm

wow. Makes me rethink my views since this hasn't been said 1,000 times this month

Clark Addison

3/30/20 10:06pm

Wow.

Blueto

3/30/20 10:07pm

Define "on pace" as it applies to current conditions.

Plato

3/30/20 10:10pm

We won't even get to 50,000 deaths.

Scott_Tenorman

3/30/20 10:40pm

I hope not. Are you rooting for more deaths to be "proven" right/wrong though?

VACOUGFAN

3/31/20 6:06am

Maybe, but the curve goes up and then comes down so daily deaths will begin

dazcoug

3/30/20 11:41pm

Try and understand exponential growth.

Taysom 4 Heisman

3/30/20 10:20pm

If it’s that simple then why don’t more people have the virus now?

Odysseus

3/30/20 10:41pm

Flu season started late October/early November.

cougfanblue

3/30/20 10:54pm

Sure. The flu isn’t a great comparison. But at 60+ days of “exponential growth”

Odysseus

3/31/20 6:07am

Number of new cases per day doubles about every 7 days.

cougfanblue

3/31/20 8:36am

My point is I’d like to see more nuance when it comes to platitudes like

Odysseus

3/31/20 10:16am

Well first case that they know of...

VACOUGFAN

3/31/20 6:07am

Is it like when I contribute $100 on my first paycheck and then

Superman21

3/30/20 11:01pm

Exponential growth is not present in your example

BYU_Hoops

3/31/20 2:56am

The flu grows exponentially too.

RugbyCoug

3/30/20 11:04pm

Not really.

Taysom 4 Heisman

3/31/20 9:29am

both are exponential. 1.00001 is exponential. But actually, more importantly,

RugbyCoug

3/31/20 11:26am

R0 of 1.3 won't grow exponentially when you factor in the recovery rate.

Taysom 4 Heisman

3/31/20 12:22pm

And surrender all constitutional freedom of movement in the meantime.

Kerbouchard

3/30/20 11:09pm

And from the CDC data, estimated 2803 died between ages 18-49 yrs

Run-DMT

3/30/20 10:39pm

T h i s i is n o t t h e f l u

So it goes...

3/30/20 10:59pm

So? Death is death. A life is a life.

Kerbouchard

3/30/20 11:10pm

When in your lifetime has the flu done what we've seen these past 3 months?

So it goes...

3/30/20 11:53pm

The past 3 months it has..actually. you get those are USA flu #'s not worldwid

CarolinaCoug

3/31/20 1:18am

Erase out of your brain the false information Fox was feeding you for over a...

So it goes...

3/31/20 12:02am

Heard it first on CNN from the NYC Mayor and Health Director. ALL media suck and have their agendas and bias!

Rhino84

3/31/20 7:00am

Nah ... you heard some conservative media

coolcats

3/31/20 7:27am

Nope. Saw it on CNN which I watch at lunchtime when they first said it several weeks ago.

Rhino84

3/31/20 10:51am

And CNN and NYT and Washington Post ...

CougarMandias

3/31/20 8:22am

Yes, it sounds like you do in fact need an intervention.

TheWoodman

3/31/20 9:57am

He's not saying it's the flu, he's saying the flu is worse.

ochobeeguy

3/30/20 11:55pm

900,000 hospitalizations. I don't care what sickness it is. How come the medical

Harbinger

3/31/20 6:39am

Why are you willfully being ignorant? Is it for attention?

BYU_Hoops

3/31/20 10:06am

So no answer? Just a personal attack. Surprising.

Harbinger

3/31/20 12:06pm

It’s not a personal attack. You’re making light of a serious issue and choosing

BYU_Hoops

3/31/20 12:30pm

Influenza has been a way of life for 100 years.

DrJazzy

3/31/20 10:10am

I guess that's one way to miss the point. How did you handle 900k

Harbinger

3/31/20 12:05pm

Wait. You really don’t get this?! Did all 900K (or whatever made up number

BYU_Hoops

3/31/20 12:31pm

900k won't happen in a month with covid. Nor do all cases require an icu.

Harbinger

3/31/20 12:40pm

Since you’re obviously a highly trained infectious disease doctor please get

BYU_Hoops

3/31/20 12:53pm

Yup we’re all crazy. NY hospitals, MI, hospitals, Louisiana hospitals

DrJazzy

3/31/20 3:37pm

Just curious, why don't you move patients to hospitals that aren't overcrowded?

Harbinger

3/31/20 7:53pm

To answer your question...

DrJazzy

3/31/20 11:30pm

Sorry to clarify one point...

DrJazzy

3/31/20 11:40pm

Hospitals are meant to operate at or near capacity any point and time.

DrJazzy

3/31/20 3:38pm

So everyone else needs to become unemployed so you don't have to prepare to do

Harbinger

3/31/20 7:49pm

Nope - it’s definitely a balancing act.

DrJazzy

3/31/20 11:37pm

Those numbers were spread out over a season and didn’t lead to entire healthcare

DrJazzy

3/30/20 11:02pm

Great, that doesn't mean it's a choice between shutting everything down or do

Kerbouchard

3/30/20 11:11pm

The flu had Mitt Romney's PR Manager

kiyoshige

3/31/20 12:00am

Really interesting. Why has no one made this comparison before?

DomCasual

3/31/20 12:02am

How many times does it need repeating? Imaging taking that flu season but

Resurgens

3/31/20 12:34am

Yes, I do!

AzCugrFan

3/31/20 12:55am

You're mistaken sadly

Resurgens

3/31/20 8:44am

Well, THAT changed my mind!!

AzCugrFan

3/31/20 12:08pm

What do you need? There's a couple explanations out there

Resurgens

3/31/20 12:12pm

but your original question was if I thought our hospitals could deal with the

AzCugrFan

3/31/20 1:23pm

Wondering how you came to that conclusion?

Resurgens

3/31/20 3:28pm

Cdc 2018 flu season was 13 weeks long. 61000 deaths in 13 weeks,,900,000

CarolinaCoug

3/31/20 9:09pm

Couple thoughts

Resurgens

4/1/20 11:08am

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