Honestly, it seems you believe this won't go away. What do you

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Apr 8, 2020
7:30:17pm

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think about the models the politicians are relying on that say this thing is going away in 4 weeks or so?

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Everybody back peddling on their dire death predictions.

777

4/8/20 5:12pm

Have any grocery/retail workers fallen ill with COVID?

WJCougar

4/8/20 5:14pm

A few Walmart employees have died recently.

eddog

4/8/20 5:21pm

4 out of 1,500,000 (not sure how they got C19).

Benfica1

4/8/20 5:25pm

They probably got it from customers.

eddog

4/8/20 5:27pm

Or somewhere else.

Benfica1

4/8/20 5:30pm

And how does that compare to previous years?

Busiturtle

4/8/20 5:31pm

Are pilots, flight attendants and TSA workers disproportionally affected?

ABCoug

4/8/20 5:43pm

A lady in my ward here in VA who works at a grocery store in town got it

VACOUGFAN

4/8/20 9:38pm

In Utah especially there will be no shortage of beds or vents.

johnnycarson

4/8/20 5:15pm

There is currently no expected shortage even in NY.

Plato

4/8/20 5:18pm

What places are you talking about?

zzcoug

4/8/20 5:19pm

They predicted doom, they wanted doom

Busiturtle

4/8/20 5:15pm

Completely absurd.

Ikuna

4/8/20 5:40pm

How so? When state leaders are throwing out shutdown dates 60 days out

Busiturtle

4/8/20 6:07pm

60 more days of this nonsense is what is absurd!

antiyewt

4/8/20 6:09pm

Just because they lie somewhere different on the caution spectrum than you does

Ikuna

4/8/20 7:29pm

In your opinion should NYC have shut down?

flyzag

4/8/20 5:17pm

8 million people on an island 20x10 miles. I think they can be handled much

777

4/8/20 5:21pm

To be fair, 23 million in the NYC metro and only 1.7 million on the island

LiveCoug

4/8/20 5:25pm

How about New Orleans? Detroit?

flyzag

4/8/20 5:32pm

Logic starting to crumble on your 100s of thousands dead prediction

kotacoug

4/8/20 6:00pm

How do you figure? You think this is over?

flyzag

4/8/20 7:20pm

let's hope temperature has an effect.

bald man

4/8/20 7:21pm

It literally is in every country in the world. Doubt it will have much affect.

flyzag

4/8/20 7:25pm

Honestly, it seems you believe this won't go away. What do you

Plato

4/8/20 7:30pm

I don't believe there is a single modeler, scientist, or doctor that believes

flyzag

4/8/20 7:58pm

I don't think you can support your second paragraph

Plato

4/8/20 8:02pm

I'm confused. You are saying that if there are contagious people they suddenly

flyzag

4/8/20 8:08pm

Are you saying that 100% of Americans will be infected?

Plato

4/8/20 8:50pm

No I don't believe I said anything close to that.

flyzag

4/8/20 8:55pm

You: "How are you supposing that the remaining 300+ million people will not

Plato

4/8/20 9:31pm

I was merely asking how you felt not a single one of those 300 million that

flyzag

4/8/20 9:35pm

Not 100% but likely 60% or more. I forget what kind of herd immunity figures

Northwest Cougar

4/8/20 9:18pm

I'm not certain that helped, maybe it was too late. What's your thought?

Plato

4/8/20 7:50pm

I believe it would have been much worse without it.

flyzag

4/8/20 7:59pm

It's getting frustrating. WA is sending ventilators and nurses to NY and other

wabluecoug

4/8/20 5:18pm

Washington’s governor...

antiyewt

4/8/20 5:27pm

How much of WA's restrictions on hunting and fishing is just because they

Tricky

4/8/20 5:41pm

He's gonna miss the revenue though

CBaass

4/8/20 5:44pm

But he's not going to talk about cutting spending, he made that pretty clear

wabluecoug

4/8/20 5:49pm

That’s easy. Raise taxes.

antiyewt

4/8/20 6:10pm

Designated shooting areas on public land were among the first things shut down

antiyewt

4/8/20 5:44pm

I haven't heard a good answer. They said it was because people were at the boat

wabluecoug

4/8/20 5:48pm

Insanity, time for a lawsuit, what's the justification for keeping you locked up

ABCoug

4/8/20 5:47pm

No offense but the other side has been peddling their dire economy

Troy McClure

4/8/20 5:18pm

Both sides are terrible and refuse to acknowledge that.

SandYFan

4/8/20 5:20pm

The partisanship on this issue has been disappointing.

eddog

4/8/20 5:23pm

I had hoped that this would unite us like tragedies have in the past, but it

wabluecoug

4/8/20 5:24pm

It's the opposite of what happened after Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

eddog

4/8/20 5:31pm

When power is at stake, there will be no united front.

bald man

4/8/20 6:41pm

I'm the worst because I want the impossible of less deaths and

Troy McClure

4/8/20 5:27pm

It's a terrible choice. a few die so many, many more have the ability to provide

bald man

4/8/20 6:43pm

Wrong. One side just wants to be left alone to live their lives. False

UNLVcougar

4/8/20 6:26pm

Except the economy has lost more jobs than any other time in history. So looks like they were right.

JohnnyComeLately

4/8/20 5:20pm

Not necessarily. What matters is what happens next. Does the economy recover and how quickly?

CDV

4/8/20 5:22pm

What part of my statement was incorrect? Has the economy lost more job in the last two weeks than any other time in

JohnnyComeLately

4/8/20 5:25pm

Well that just happened so it doesn’t matter.

antiyewt

4/8/20 5:29pm

Im pretty sure someone who is unemployed right now has every right to complain about the Government shutting them down

JohnnyComeLately

4/8/20 5:31pm

My income has been exactly zero since the first week of March.

antiyewt

4/8/20 5:37pm

My mistake, hard to read sarcasm.

JohnnyComeLately

4/8/20 5:43pm

The part of your statement that was incorrect was where you said "looks like they were right."

CDV

4/8/20 5:35pm

And they are right. Those who predicted we would lose millions of jobs and we would have a bear market were correct

JohnnyComeLately

4/8/20 5:39pm

Well it is pretty easy when you pick and choose which predictions you want to audit. On the

CDV

4/8/20 5:44pm

How can you possibly deny the economy has been seriously damaged?

antiyewt

4/8/20 5:49pm

You need to learn to read better

CDV

4/8/20 6:50pm

See above: “we’ll have to wait and see if they were right”

antiyewt

4/8/20 7:13pm

Nobody ever said it wasn’t. You still aren’t reading carefully.

CDV

4/8/20 7:14pm

I read quite well. Perhaps your writing could use some help.

antiyewt

4/8/20 7:17pm

I am sure that is true. Not a great writer.

CDV

4/8/20 7:55pm

That’s really your argument?

JollyGreenGiant

4/8/20 6:56pm

Again, not what I said. I said the predictions haven’t yet all been validated. Like for example the prediction that

CDV

4/8/20 7:16pm

And that is just on our own shores. People in the 3rd world will starve to death

Unibro

4/8/20 5:41pm

Maybe. I sure hope not. I have a hard time believing that will happen, but I know at

CDV

4/8/20 5:47pm

Every day this goes on increases the risk

Unibro

4/8/20 7:35pm

Absolutely true.

CDV

4/8/20 7:55pm

What happens next starting from when? Today? A month from now? Three months?

Northwest Cougar

4/8/20 5:33pm

I don't know the answer. And just to be clear, I am not defending the shut down. My own business

CDV

4/8/20 5:38pm

I would love if you were right.

JohnnyComeLately

4/8/20 5:43pm

I do not know if that will happen. I am preparing for the worst. I hope it does. But

CDV

4/8/20 5:45pm

Personally I feel pretty confident in my own finances. I just feel incredibly sick when I see other peoples

JohnnyComeLately

4/8/20 5:51pm

I don’t think I ever said overblown. I certainly don’t feel like the economic issues are overblown. I am personally

CDV

4/8/20 5:55pm

I dont know if you said it was overblown or not.

JohnnyComeLately

4/8/20 6:01pm

The only people who were.

kotacoug

4/8/20 6:01pm

I've had zero income for a month. And looks like a second month as well,

777

4/8/20 5:25pm

I know so many small business owners who are freaking out.

JohnnyComeLately

4/8/20 5:30pm

There is zero urgency to open up. That is concerning considering all the dire

777

4/8/20 5:35pm

Just gave my POTD to JCL on this thread but wish I had another one for you

Northwest Cougar

4/8/20 5:36pm

I agree with you. Without specifics, what business do you operate in?

Troy McClure

4/8/20 5:42pm

I hope you can soon and me being ignorant (I'd trust CSOUL cause he's smrt and

Troy McClure

4/8/20 5:30pm

It was our collective responsibility to flatten the curve.

antiyewt

4/8/20 5:32pm

It's unreal. It really is.

777

4/8/20 5:36pm

Now flattening the curve wasn't the real goal, but total elimination

wabluecoug

4/8/20 5:56pm

It is for Fauci and he’s calling the shots

BYU '80

4/8/20 6:24pm

The lack of testing led to this. This is what still prevents us from being able

bald man

4/8/20 6:49pm

Literal SPAMMING? Sounds like Monty Python!

bruincoug

4/8/20 5:45pm

More SPAMALOT!

Troy McClure

4/8/20 5:46pm

False equivalency. We currently have a dire economy. The covid numbers are

UNLVcougar

4/8/20 6:25pm

Not a false equivalency. You're making a "my rights are being infringed"

Troy McClure

4/8/20 7:02pm

Your initial comment was to deride those who claimed how dire the econonmy

UNLVcougar

4/8/20 7:19pm

And your comment is to deride people who take this pandemic seriously

Troy McClure

4/8/20 7:45pm

Lol ... now you are worried about civil rights

coolcats

4/8/20 7:15pm

Well one party is known for disliking business and loving govt power.

Coach's Dad

4/8/20 11:30pm

Don't use broad false generalizations. Let me rephrase yours to show it's

Troy McClure

4/9/20 12:13pm

Nothing I said was a generalization. The Democratic party owns the fact that

Coach's Dad

4/9/20 12:36pm

You had your answer, but didn't like it

coolcats

4/8/20 5:42pm

The one US demographic that is in the bullseye of this epidemic is residents

Busiturtle

4/8/20 5:42pm

At least 25% of deaths in nyc

BYU '80

4/8/20 6:24pm

Better than going the other way!

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