I see what you are saying - we are looking at it differently.

Nov 24, 2020
12:42:40pm

molodyets All-American

You are looking at it nominally from the standpoint of "if they move behind us, we will move up". Which is true.

Looking at it from the viewpoint of "BYU is ranked X" the relative rank of the other schools matter.

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I agree with Spencer Linton: "Tonight is not the night to worry where BYU lands on the CFP Rankings"

Ode to Hoy The Truffle Shuffler

11/24/20 10:43am

This is some nice hedging. But yes, tonight is the night to worry about it.

Harbinger

11/24/20 10:44am

Oklahoma will leapfrog BYU if they win out

Chester Copperpot

11/24/20 10:45am

Which would be ridiculous. 2 losses and their conf lost 3 games to the sunbelt.

Mr. Scoobs

11/24/20 10:47am

It doesn't matter. The winner of their conference will get an autobid, so if

cougaman

11/24/20 10:49am

I disagree, The two teams the play are 5-3 and 1-5. If BYU plays no more games, then I might agree. Which is why I think

Ode to Hoy

11/24/20 10:50am

I agree with most of what you said, except for the "leap frog" part

moknowssports

11/24/20 10:47am

We won’t move up if we don’t play better teams. If we can’t schedule any more

allaboutthegainz

11/24/20 10:47am

Spencer also thinks the worst that could happen is BYU falling to #10

BYU Fan

11/24/20 10:47am

Lol, BYU won’t even be #10 tonight.

allaboutthegainz

11/24/20 10:50am

The problem is, it's not 'falling' - this is the CFP's first crack at their

rggee

11/24/20 10:51am

They would be "falling" from 8 in the AP to 10th in the CFP

BYU Fan

11/24/20 12:56pm

That's my point

rggee

11/24/20 12:57pm

BYU needs to be at #9 in the final poll to be guaranteed a NY6 spot. No #9 team has ever been left out of a NY6.

Turnpike Lane

11/24/20 10:50am

The good news is this is an optimal year for at-large bids. I think we'd be in

rggee

11/24/20 10:52am

The P12 and B12 being so bad takes away all that optimality.

molodyets

11/24/20 10:53am

Not at all, we aren't competing with the conference champs. It doesn't matter

rggee

11/24/20 10:54am

Same thing with Cincinnati. It doesn't matter where they end up with

rggee

11/24/20 10:55am

If Oregon wins the p12 and is ranked 15 it definitely affects how high we need

molodyets

11/24/20 11:38am

Not with respect to the other at large candidates.

rggee

11/24/20 11:39am

Let me explain, if all conference champs are in the top 12, we need to be #12,

rggee

11/24/20 11:41am

I see what you are saying - we are looking at it differently.

molodyets

11/24/20 12:42pm

Sure, but the ranking of the PAC12 and Big12 champs has ZERO effect on our NY6

rggee

11/24/20 12:50pm

They do if you look at it from the second point of view I mentioned

molodyets

11/24/20 12:51pm

But where Oregon/USC and OU/ISU end up will change the value of 'X' - so it is

rggee

11/24/20 12:57pm

That completely depends on who else is in the top 10. If Cincy, Oklahoma,

cougaman

11/24/20 10:54am

Correct.

rggee

11/24/20 10:56am

So be top-9 and guarantee it.

Turnpike Lane

11/24/20 11:04am

I think top 10 will get it this year almost guaranteed

rggee

11/24/20 11:12am

The scenarios where #10 doesn't get in this year include P5 champs outside the

Doogal McCougar

11/24/20 11:24am

ACC #3 isn't guaranteed a spot if Clemson and ND make the playoff.

cougaman

11/24/20 11:36am

Orange Bowl is always ACC versus SEC/B1G/Notre Dame

Doogal McCougar

11/24/20 11:37am

Guess maybe I was wrong. I guess I'm a ND fan now in the ACC championship 🙂

cougaman

11/24/20 11:40am

Orange Bowl, no?

rggee

11/24/20 11:37am

That is really the big thing. I'm not so much worried about where BYU stands

cougarfan84

11/24/20 1:06pm

Precisely

rggee

11/24/20 1:23pm

This is 2020: there are no guarantees

2FarGone

11/24/20 10:58am

Tom Holmoe seems to be

delux_247

11/24/20 10:51am

Because the rankings will change week to week, I fear that a #8-10 ranking

Doogal McCougar

11/24/20 10:53am

That's my worry. BYU having a strong ranking this week only to see it drop over

cougarfan84

11/24/20 11:11am

Most teams will jump BYU if they beat teams in the top 10...

Coug

11/24/20 10:55am

I don't know if we need to play significant competition, but we definitely need

cougarfan84

11/24/20 11:14am

teams with a bye tend to rise in the polls, not drop

Hill4Heisman

11/24/20 12:42pm

My worry is that BYU will be ranked fairly high in the rankings tonight (top 10)

cougarfan84

11/24/20 11:09am

Their guest today made the interesting point that no non-P5 has ever been ranked

Ash

11/24/20 11:31am

It will change tonight given that the 2 non p5 teams in contention are both 8+

cougaman

11/24/20 11:38am

My guess is they put us at 10.

Ash

11/24/20 11:53am

Loved your last line!

rerunc

11/24/20 11:49am

Nit ... Cincinnati will be in the AAC, not the ACC, championship game.

rmsenior

11/24/20 1:17pm

You’re too busy squabbling over the scraps from the power five table that you’ve

Jcoulson

11/24/20 1:36pm

This is the first of 5 CFP polls.

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