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Jun 13, 2021
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Turnpike Lane
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I’d say win 5.5/10ish on average. But that isn’t bad at all.
I’d love to see how they do with the recruiting bump that would follow. Pipe dream.
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Independence has boosted P5 losses, but not really P5 wins
krindorr
6/13/21 2:20pm
All P5 games are not created equal. Any info on the relative strength of those
kudzucoug
6/13/21 2:22pm
Not yet; I did a full breakdown of it for the independence era
krindorr
6/13/21 2:26pm
Attached Data
krindorr
6/13/21 2:35pm
that's very interesting and it suggests that if BYU was in a P5 conference
run26
6/13/21 2:23pm
I think recruiting would be better in a P5 conference so we’d be better than 500
IntelCougar
6/13/21 2:27pm
Not at first, but after some improvement/recruiting, 100% agree
krindorr
6/13/21 2:27pm
I’d say win 5.5/10ish on average. But that isn’t bad at all.
Turnpike Lane
6/13/21 2:34pm
This is about where I peg them also
krindorr
6/13/21 2:36pm
I mean... Yes. This is the reality
Hotlanta
6/13/21 8:19pm
No it doesn't, recruiting would completely change. Take a look at Utah.
bluescholar
6/13/21 9:01pm
Take out Utah and the numbers look completely different.
shoganai
6/13/21 2:29pm
Why would you take out Utah? They are a P5…can’t pick and choose stats.
Graystation
6/13/21 2:31pm
Never said you should. Just pointing out their impact.
shoganai
6/13/21 2:33pm
That makes no sense though…the entire post was about P5 wins/losses.
Graystation
6/13/21 2:34pm
I often find it interesting when statistics are disproportionately impacted by
shoganai
6/13/21 2:47pm
Ha! I really like most of your posts. Just found this one odd.
Graystation
6/13/21 2:49pm
Here is why Shoganai's post is interesting (Warning: Nerd Alert)
Greg Kite's 'stache
6/13/21 3:57pm
Our losing record against P5s can be entirely accounted for by the Utah game.
shoganai
6/13/21 4:02pm
I totally agree. We continue to lay eggs against Utah. There is something anomalous about the last 10 yea against Utah
Greg Kite's 'stache
6/13/21 4:21pm
Something, something…remove relevant data to make BYU football look better.
Graystation
6/13/21 4:39pm
Something, something, doesn’t understand how to interpret data
Greg Kite's 'stache
6/13/21 4:51pm
This is a great point. Nuance matters.
here's to hoping
6/13/21 5:18pm
The problem in your analysis is that you're treating Utah like it's the same
BigBrotherUte
6/14/21 1:35am
I agree it's worth looking, but every data set will have anomalies
krindorr
6/13/21 8:19pm
What the data says is that it is statistically very unlikely that Utah has won this many games in a row
Greg Kite's 'stache
6/13/21 8:30pm
Oh, I agree that it's very unlikely that we lose that many in a row
krindorr
6/13/21 8:48pm
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Greg Kite's 'stache
6/13/21 9:20pm
If you really break down each matchup to coaching and player talent, and remove
BigBrotherUte
6/14/21 1:42am
When I got a Masters Degree in Statistics at the University of Utah they never taught me such amazing concepts like that
Greg Kite's 'stache
6/14/21 4:52am
When did I say you can't statistically compare them?
BigBrotherUte
6/14/21 5:00pm
If you would like to discuss the statistics that were presented, I'm happy to do that
Greg Kite's 'stache
6/14/21 5:37pm
In any given game it's unlikely that BYU beats Utah; but the repeated losses...?
krindorr
6/14/21 6:59am
Zzzzzzz.
DrJazzy
6/13/21 5:42pm
Great point. Also, if you magically add 391 P5 wins, #s are different as well.
Linescratcher
6/13/21 2:34pm
RE: Great point. Also, if you magically add 391 P5 wins, #s are different as
here's to hoping
6/13/21 5:18pm
GK’s post was insightful. Shoganai’s was cherry picking
Linescratcher
6/13/21 5:55pm
It would probably be appropriate to not count 2020 in the independence averages
shoganai
6/13/21 2:53pm
That's fair; can't believe I didn't do that - my fault
krindorr
6/13/21 3:34pm
Important to remember our team was better the decade before
kimdaddy35
6/13/21 4:20pm
I haven't seen any strong arguments for independence
krindorr
6/13/21 4:31pm
What if the AAC doesn't want BYU? You act like BYU could take it whenever they
byusage
6/13/21 4:43pm
I'd imagine football only
krindorr
6/13/21 5:15pm
Our long term win% vs P5s is just over 40%. Independence is in line with that rate.
Indy Coug
6/13/21 4:33pm
I love posts like this that show actual facts. Kudos!
MrClark
6/13/21 7:32pm
You’re comparing independence against a situation that used to exist and cannot
gwalker
6/13/21 7:38pm
Recruiting dropped drastically when we left the MWC
krindorr
6/13/21 8:12pm
So, we're still saying recruiting tanked? How come it never showed on the field?
bluescholar
6/13/21 9:06pm
....but it has shown on field - BYU was better in the 2000s than in the 2010s
krindorr
6/13/21 9:52pm
Despite TH's assertions that BYU wants to play at the highest level possible and
TrueBlue67
6/13/21 9:26pm
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