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Jun 16, 2021
2:27:22pm

jreid191 All-American

This is what I have. It's debatable if this is how the rankings SHOULD be, but

based on the metrics I utilized (Win Shares / VORP over best 7 years of career including playoffs) this is how it shaped out. I did keep it positional-based for this.

1st team
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Charles Barkley
LeBron James
Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson

2nd team
Wilt Chamberlain
Karl Malone
Julius Erving
Clyde Drexler
Chris Paul

3rd team
David Robinson
Kevin Garnett
Kevin Durant
Kobe Bryant
Oscar Robertson

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Originally posted on Jun 16, 2021 at 2:27:22pm

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My wife's sister is married to a

Undefeated

6/16/21 1:49pm

That would be a competitive game.

scootsy

6/16/21 1:50pm

Bill Walton is missing from your team. Same with Jerry West.

6/16/21 1:51pm

Walton's peak was cut short so I went with Jokic. J. West was great but I worry

Undefeated

6/16/21 1:55pm

if you pick peak player I'd go with Walton...

icecougar

6/16/21 5:08pm

Maybe recency bias but I might still go Jokic.

Undefeated

6/16/21 7:29pm

The year he won his first Championship, Walton was the best defensive player

Parker Schnabel

6/16/21 4:19pm

I was going to post those same too guys

scott715

6/16/21 4:47pm

a healthy 1970's Bill Walton would've been a star in today's NBA

icecougar

6/16/21 5:04pm

Where’s the love for the Pistol?

Turbo

6/16/21 1:51pm

Very underrated by most NBA fans.

lbmango

6/16/21 1:53pm

They could compete. Not sure they’d win though.

spugeddy24

6/16/21 1:51pm

Yeah maybe true a few years ago. But with Luka and Jokic now I think they got it

JuicyJam

6/16/21 1:51pm

They would be competitive for sure.

lbmango

6/16/21 1:52pm

All time, it would be competitive. However

CocaColaRecovery

6/16/21 1:52pm

What would the current white team be?

DieHarder

6/16/21 2:09pm

RE: What would the current white team be?

BingoNY

6/16/21 3:21pm

When you're talking all-time greats vs. all-time greats, it's impossible to know

ebv

6/16/21 1:52pm

He’s got statistics on his side. Just a much deeper pool of black players to

Jay Rick

6/16/21 1:54pm

Who is your fourth team of white players?

dfudge

6/16/21 1:54pm

Hmm, Probably something like:

Undefeated

6/16/21 2:26pm

80s? Or 3-point era?

EtTuKalante

6/16/21 1:55pm

Today. 3-point era. Which is why I'd take my team. LakeshowCoug makes good point

Undefeated

6/16/21 2:02pm

He’s wrong if white guys include Euros.

Kavorka

6/16/21 1:57pm

You know it's bad on the white team when two players are current players who

6/16/21 1:57pm

I would still take the 4th team of black players. Much more athleticism.

LakeshowCougs

6/16/21 1:57pm

If zone defense is legal that white team wins. No three point shooters

Big Daddy D

6/16/21 2:03pm

Because making 3’s is the only way to beat a zone? I think the “white” would

LakeshowCougs

6/16/21 2:26pm

The zone takes away the drive. Defending that is the white team’s biggest

Big Daddy D

6/16/21 2:34pm

I agree. I think you overestimate the effectiveness of the Zone. Just put Pip

LakeshowCougs

6/16/21 3:05pm

In today’s nba your team would win. He has no shooters. Add Ray Allen and he

Big Daddy D

6/16/21 2:01pm

I'd assume if it was modern NBA rules then the black team would change up their

6/16/21 2:11pm

I think your team wins easily. Still ... he has made a good point

runnincoug

6/16/21 2:03pm

I don't think it really matters one way or the other...lots more offense on the white team here

6/16/21 2:06pm

I agree w/ your BIL.

jreid191

6/16/21 2:09pm

Looks like you don't agree with his BIL.

JAGA97

6/16/21 2:20pm

Good catch. In a 7 game series I'd pick the black team to win 4-1 or 4-2.

jreid191

6/16/21 2:24pm

What's your ranking for the best black players?

6/16/21 2:21pm

This is what I have. It's debatable if this is how the rankings SHOULD be, but

jreid191

6/16/21 2:27pm

Wow BYU representing

califcougar

6/16/21 2:29pm

I meant to include Devin's younger brother on the list. Simple typo. 🙂

jreid191

6/16/21 2:31pm

Curry is easily top 3 PG of all time.

califcougar

6/16/21 2:27pm

You're probably right. I failed to add in numbers from this season which would

jreid191

6/16/21 2:30pm

What about Ginobili? Does he make top white team as a starter or bench player?

4thand19

6/16/21 6:23pm

The person saying they couldn't compete is wrong. All those guys can play and

JAGA97

6/16/21 2:16pm

Obviously would be near impossible to beat a team of Curry, Jordan, Kobe, Durant

Undefeated

6/16/21 2:16pm

Well, Larry Bird actually DID compete with 3 on that 4th team, and did quite well, so there's that.

jdub

6/16/21 2:18pm

What I was thinking, too. LB won the MVP 3 years in a row. And I think Jokic

BYUHgrad

6/16/21 2:21pm

Russell was a freak athlete...

icecougar

6/16/21 5:20pm

Dwayne Wade is third best SG of all time which improves the fourth team because

califcougar

6/16/21 2:25pm

His SG list: 1. Jordan, 2. Bryant, 3. Leonard, 4. Wade. I agree with his order.

Undefeated

6/16/21 2:30pm

Basketball is somewhat positionless now but Kawhi isn’t listed as a SG

califcougar

6/16/21 2:35pm

It's a little sad that your #1 pale team includes only one U.S. born player

RC Vikings

6/16/21 2:50pm

I think having Bill Russell on the 4th team means your BIL is wrong.

neboutefan

6/16/21 2:53pm

I'd put Olajuwon, Abdul-Jabbar, O'Neal, Chamberlain, (Duncan if u count him a C)

Undefeated

6/16/21 3:10pm

It's subjective, but I would only put Jabbar and Chamberlain ahead of Russell.

neboutefan

6/16/21 3:14pm

Shaq is most dominant big man IMO. Russell 4th is good I would say

chitownboy

6/16/21 9:49pm

Gimme Jimmer, Ainge, Bradley, Plaisted, and Hanson, and we’ll beat anybody.

Jay Rick

6/16/21 3:03pm

He could easily be correct.

pink22

6/16/21 3:04pm

He's wrong but don't argue with him

BYU Grounds

6/16/21 3:10pm

We don't argue, we have friendly banter about it. We aren't sensitive and can

Undefeated

6/16/21 3:16pm

RE: My wife's sister is married to a

Osmos

6/16/21 3:29pm

That would be an awesome team to watch

BingoNY

6/16/21 3:38pm

Who are his 1st-3rd teams? I'd just want to be sure he's not stacking his 4th

squidmark

6/16/21 3:48pm

Sounds like only one way to settle it. Play him one-on-one

6/16/21 5:05pm

Consider adding Kevin McHale.

bob falfa

6/16/21 5:07pm

Arvydas Sabonis in his prime was amazing.

MDollickson

6/16/21 6:48pm

Yup. Him in prime plus Bird are as good as any duo you can name

6/16/21 7:25pm

I have him on this list at least:)

Undefeated

6/16/21 7:36pm

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